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Good point. But I also heard that you're Tannehill's dick's mouthpiece, so to speak. So I think we need to consider all present biases which abound when engaging in thoughtful analysis.

And here we go with the overreaction.... if Carthon isn't calling around to see what it would take he wouldn't be a good GM. if they really like Stroud or Young enough to move up, I say go for it. Just don't miss....

Oh no. This might lead to a lot of Titans players getting injured during the season now!!!

lol

I will laugh pretty hard if Tannehill replaces Mariota again.

Tannehill having a 90+ rating with a raging alcoholic deserves another CPOY award

The view of Tannehill from outside media and a lot of Titan fans is way lower than how the team views Tannehill. The reason the new GM thinks they can reload vs rebuild is because the Titans are lucky enough to have Tannehill. He's the reason the offense can make a quick turn around from this past seasons disaster. When this type of speculation is thrown against the wall it never comes with who the Titans starter will be. There isn't a viable option that isn't a huge downgrade. The Titans should give him a 3 year deal, he's likely a safe bet to come close to finishing that. In this scenario the team would have a really good QB to go with their really good defense, build around this.

Still don't get this fascination with keeping Lewan around.

I miss the old AFC Central. Games against the Steelers and Ravens just felt right. The AFC South simply hasn't been the same.

This is the thing, the team is looking at how to build the most competitive roster for 2023 and that 100% involves Tannehill being the starting QB. Tannehill can easily play another 3 years and along the way or after that time the team can start attempting to get a QB. There is no realistic scenario where the team can upgrade the QB spot while also filling holes on the rest of the roster. It's going to be Tannehill dummies

My god. This is 75% of TitansReport in a nutshell.

Apologize if this post ends up a bit long winded but its driving me nuts the number of Titans fans not just on TR but elsewhere just throwing out the lets just trade up for a QB solution as something that is not only easily achievable but also a certainty to be a better solution than Tannehill. Just from my perspective some fans have complete blinkers on and are completely oblivious how dire and desperate some other franchises QB situations are now. Right now these are the projected starting QB's from only the teams in front of the Titans in the current draft order - Bears (Justin Fields) - Texans (Davis Mills) - Cardinals (Colt McCoy until Kyler Murray returns from ACL injury) - Colts (Nick Foles or Sam Ehlinger) - Seahawks (don't have a QB under contract likely be Geno Smith) - Lions (Jared Goff) - Raiders (Chase Garbers) - Falcons (Desmond Ridder) - Panthers (Jacob Eason or Matt Corral) - Eagles (Jalen Hurts) Then you also need to pay attention to what the Owners, HC and GM's have been saying in their recent press conferences - Texans GM Nick Caserio "the clock is ticking the time is now" - Colts Irsay and Ballard "will do whatever it takes to fix QB position" - Raiders GM Dave Ziegler "our preference is to draft and develop our own QB" - Falcons GM Terry Fontenot "we want to add to the QB room" - Panthers GM Scott Fitterer "ideally we draft and develop a QB" All of the above doesn't even factor in the dumpster fire QB situations of the likes of the Jets, Commanders, Bucs, Saints who all pick after the Titans. It simply isn't going to be easy or maybe even realistic to outbid most of these teams even without factoring in the Bears and Cardinals potential desire to stay in position to get one of the elite defensive players in this Draft (Jalen Carter or Will Anderson).

Brady wasn't more talented than those guys but he was a better leader, game manager, and better in clutch games than either Manning or Rodgers. It really isn't close.

There is 0% chance the Titans consider trading for Rodgers Yea lets unload all the draft capitol and wreck the cap for a one year rental on a declining QB who will be 40 next year

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying you hope they trade up for Bryce Young.

Cap Situation Per OTC, the Titans are 23.3 M over the cap with 57 players under contract. Cap Management My goal here is to reload, not rebuild, so I’d like to see them cut the dead wood while being able to create enough cap space to address roster needs both in FA and the draft. Tender Tart (RFA) at the 2nd round tender of 4.308 M, Brewer at the UDFA tender of 2.629 M, and Naquan Jones at the EFRA tender of 940 K. Try to extend Tart if possible on a longer term deal and obviously the Brewer tender is somewhat hinged on the status of Jones as Brewer could slide into Center. Terminate the contracts of Dupree (9.35 M), Woods (12.023 M), Cunningham (8.927 M), Bullock (2.072 M). Standard restructure of Landry, freeing up 10.5 M in cap space. Extend Tannehill with a Derek Carr like Raider deal, freeing up 15 M in cap space with a two or three year commitment to him but structured in a way where there are annual outs if a decline warrants moving on. Total Cap Savings of 57.872 M to leave the Titans with 28.9 M in cap space. Note I did not touch Lewan’s contract. I keep him on the roster at least until I address the spot in the draft or FA/trade. The 14.8 M cap number isn’t prohibitive if he ends up being my LT for 2023 and I can cut/trade him at any time if I opt to move on. I also don’t touch Ben Jones deal yet – Again, that’s 3.7 M or 6 M in cap space if he opts to retire. Titans Free Agents They have a number of FA’s because of all of the injuries so I’m not inclined to list every one. The major guys are David Long, Mario Edwards Jr,, DeMarcus Walker on defense and Nate Davis and Dontrell Hilliard on offense. I guess one could throw Dobbs in there too to camp battle for the #2 spot and perhaps you bring back Levin or Roos as interior depth. LS Cox is a FA – maybe they re-sign him or perhaps they go younger/cheaper at that spot. Free Agency Strategy I’m inclined to make efforts to re-sign Nate Davis and David Long. Granted, there are price limits for both. Davis actually did play well and was much improved in pass protection even though it was overshadowed by how bad everyone else was. Long is a 3 down backer who makes impact plays. He could get priced out of Nashville but he by far was their best LB when healthy. I’m not a fan of winning the 1st wave of FA. Those deals hardly ever pay off paying great money for good players. That said, they can add some players that fit the needs and schemes without breaking the bank. I like the idea of George Fant from the Jets as a LT/RT option. At worst, he’s your swing Tackle but he’s viable enough as a LT option either in the scenario he’s a bridge to a rookie or against Lewan if you opt to keep him for 2023. He also can be competition for Petit-Frere at RT. Dilliard from Philly offers a similar appeal. I look at the G market to add a starter, especially if Davis walks. There are some viable guys out there like Powers, Semalu, and Risner out there. You also still have Jamarcus Jones under contract and you could also see if Radunz could make a run at a starting G spot (LG or RG) depending on how things shake out. At center, if Jones is gone, I think you can let Brewer and Levin battle it out and they’d be OK. WR is an area that probably doesn’t offer a ton of options in FA but the two guys that interest me some is Chark and Hardeman. If Nagy ends up getting the OC gig, Hardman could have some appeal. Either guy has deep speed that the Titans currently don’t have beyond McMath, who IMO is not going to be a viable option. TE is a spot they could use a good inline TE option. Will Dissly of Seattle could be a fit. Good blocker and a pretty good receiver – a big upgrade over Swaim. Hurst from Cincy would be a bigger guy to consider but I think they’d rather not go there price wise. On defense, I feel comfortable that they can find fits for the scheme. With Dupree gone, they can use another edge guy. I’d try to re-sign Walker but SF has a couple of Edge FA’s that could also fit in Ebukan and Omenighu. They could bring in another CB if the price is right – again not a big spend but a scheme fit. In wave 2, there should be affordable options. Draft Strategy Ideally you go into the draft not having to force anything albeit they definitely will be targeting OL, WE, and TE but you can also make compelling cases for an Edge rusher, CB, and LB depending on how FA goes. Maybe a day 3 back. Same for QBOTF is the board falls right. End Result In this plan, the Titans enter the draft with Lewan as a chip of sorts – a 14.8 M asset that one can use for insurance, If you land a stud LT in the draft, you can move on and either parlay him into draft capital or as a mechanism to add another veteran player – presumably a starter at perhaps WR or CB if the opportunity is there. You end up with a healthy Tannehill at QB and Henry at RB with an improved OL, add talent at WR plus you have Burks and Philips in year 2, an in-line TE or 2 along with Chig in year 2. On defense, you’re really banking on Landry, Simmons, and Autry to come back healthy and put forth a pass rush and run stop group that can potentially be top 5. Kicker is a question albeit Shudak is still here. Bring in competition and try to get a younger long term option. The plan does not mortgage the future and enables the team to contend in the AFC immediately.

This idea Tannehill, if healthy, isn't reasonable mobile is ridiculous.

So you want to downgrade at QB?

A lot of fans are just emotionally ready to move on from Tannehill. They never really liked him in the first place. He's not particularity charismatic or exciting. He did not put up great stats or play particularly well in our biggest games. But you don't have to be hardcore Tannepilled to see sticking with him as the move that makes the most sense given the available alternatives (assuming Tannehill's recovery from injury goes as expected). @Number9's idea is basically the South Park meme. @tgo's idea is to cut Tannehill and sign a worse QB to build around. Tannehill isn't good enough to win with, but Brissett and one extra veteran FA is? [More seriously, the idea tgo suggest is actually a semi-tank. It's to get worse so that we get out of "QB purgatory." I doubt they want to do this, and neither KC or SF moved on from Smith or Garoppolo before they drafted their heir apparent.] The thing is, we can have our cake and eat it too. Tannehill can be our bridge QB. Keeping Tannehill does not stop us from drafting a QB this year if the opportunity arises in the first round or taking a player like Haener or whoever.

Those were Willis. It was uncertain what he was doing.

Should have retired after he won the superbowl in Tampa.

Serves him right. They should have arrested him for coaching while stupid.

Daniel Jones isn’t great, but he’s currently better than the 35 year old version of Tannehill.

but who starts week 2?

I'm way more interested in whether Vrabel can adapt and evolve his offensive mentality and let the new OC run his offense without meddling as much more than who the new OC is. If he doesn't it won't matter who they hire.

While discussing the Reich introductory press conference Rapoport listed a couple of veteran QB options the Panthers could be considering and he listed trading for Ryan Tannehill as one of those options. This continues a trend from Rapoport speculating that Tannehill might be available to other teams.

Good news. Ben Jones says he plans to be back. My (plan) this offseason is getting back and healthy, and be able to play at a high level again."

Absolutely agree. For drafting a QB, I’d be targeting that sweet spot between #1 overall and #199.

Tannehill can run. He isn't mobile in the pocket AT ALL.

I love how Titans fans post things that make sense to everyone but the Titans.

I think you give him a 3 year extension that they can easily get out of after 2. It significantly lowers his cap hit this year, guarantees you at least an average to above average QB the next 2-3 years and sets you up nicely to go after a rookie in 24 when it makes more sense to do so. Bottom line is it gives you options. Every other scenario locks the Titans in either with a contract or a commitment to a rookie. All of whom have significant flaws and aren't worthy of the money or draft capital to acquire.

Yeah Cooper Kupp, Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk, DeVonta Smith, Terry McLaurin, Michael Gallup, Christian Watson are all bums.

I do think it's worth remembering as someone pointed out that the Titans are never the protagonists of any of these rumors. It's not really about what the Titans want. It's want Rodgers might want, what Brady might want, what the 49ers might want... sadly even the Panthers are the main characters in this story. The Titans obviously run a very tight ship. Almost nothing leaks out of here. We won't know what they want to do at QB until they want us to or until Tannehill's team wants us to.

Avoiding the QB topic had a short shelf life.

If AJB gets a ring I hope JRob gets mauled by a bear.

I'm not believing this based on that source but Tannehill is a decent, short term option with complications. If you want a guy and to put something together, you go get him. There's basically no amount that's too much if he's actually good and if you get a "good" deal while trading up for a bad QB at #1, it'll end up blowing up in your face anyway.

If you believe in one of these QBs, then go get them.

I'm not watching that shit

If Casey didn't get this man fired than I don't know what it took!

Would be beyond dumb.

I mean, it all depends on what kind of draft capital you can get for him.

The move is spurred by NFL studies showing the team's natural surface may have contributed to more lower-body injuries from 2018-2021 than the six NFL venues that use the sort of monofilament fields the team will now turn to. Seems good

Actually 2009 is where Heimerdinger bailed out VY by scheming the fuck out of things to make him functional. Of course, when the Titans got back into contention, they got curb stomped by SD and VY put up a 8 for 21 gem for 89 yards with 2 picks and a fumble.....

By rebuild, what they really mean is they want a new QB. Problem is, none of these QBs are worth multiple first round picks to go up and get and RT still likely has 2-3 good years left of high level play.

Whatever it looks like one non negotiable is no wasting draft capital chasing aging expensive veteran short term options (Rodgers/Hopkins etc.)

Impressive memory and grudge holding capacity!

They aren't carrying Lewan's $14 million cap hit all the way till the draft and missing the opportunity to sign a veteran swing OT in FA that can actually be relied on to play in 2023 if whichever rookie they end up selecting in the draft isn't ready to play right away. Lewan simply can't be relied on to stay healthy and even he knows that he is getting cut in early March.

Have been on the no WR in round 1 team for a couple of months now even more so once we ended up with pick #11, the value at WR is on day 2.