NashvilleNinja Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Your defensiveness over the least winningest head coach of all time is noted! My defensiveness over having to start this bullshit process all over again is more noted. I'm just trying to find any silver lining in this horseshit season I can find. Fuck me for not grabbing a pitchfork, right? Fuck yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IsntLifeFunny Posted September 23, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Callahan was absolutely hired to be the play caller. Starkiller, rns90, OILERMAN, and 4 others 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnasty Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 17 minutes ago, rns90 said: Yeah . Guy gets hired on his ability to call plays . He now has to hand that off to someone else. Hard to spin that as anything positive . He never called plays. He wasn’t hired on his play calling ability Mythos27, oldschool, reo, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted September 23, 2025 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 (edited) 4 minutes ago, reo said: He's never been the playcaller. How can you say he was hired b/c he was a playcaller? He was hired b/c he's got a lot of experience grooming and developing QBs. They are stretching the meaning of offensive HC to fit whatever tangential argument path this is headed. I dont see it as semantic at all. It's clear they didnt hire him because he was an established playcaller ( he wasnt) and he didnt have to say he was going to call plays to get the job. He was free to hire a playcalling OC... and had even mentioned if need be he would hand off the duties. Edited September 23, 2025 by titanruss Mythos27, and reo 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: Callahan was absolutely hired to be the play caller. he was hired to groom a QB and build an offense around the QB. Playcalling is a small part of that. You can't say he was hired to do it when he's never done it. He was allowed to do it b/c he wanted to. It wasn't a selling point for him. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Just now, NashvilleNinja said: My defensiveness over having to start this bullshit process all over again is more noted. I'm just trying to find any silver lining in this horseshit season I can find. Fuck me for not grabbing a pitchfork, right? Fuck yourself. Are you for real upset by this interaction? Lol didn't smell bitch in this back and forth until recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 22 minutes ago, croatian22 said: This could work out well for us. Happy to see some change. Optimism does not become you. Mythos27, and begooode 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 These are the arguments I can think of for keeping Callahan, IF the team starts winning and he's willing to fire Holz this offseason and promote Hardegree in that scenario: -Bill Callahan (Not even sure if he's a real net positive yet, the OL will need to massively improve) -Offensive terminology/continuity for Ward and the other young players on offense -Keeping Dennard Wilson (he'll need to massively improve to be worth keeping, but he does have real potential as a top notch DC) -Keeping Bones Fassel -Overall coaching and org stability for a young team -In the off chance that Hardegree is wildly successful, Callahan will deserve some credit for hiring and retaining him. That's a whole lot of what-ifs and when it comes down to it, Borgonzi is going to be the one that is the hardest to convince on keeping him even if everything goes right from here on out (highly unlikely) CreepingDeath, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Just now, Callidus said: Optimism does not become you. he's not optimistic. his only goal is the guy who replaced Vrabel be fired. croatian22 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EC34 Posted September 23, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Takes a strong man to admit that he is not performing to expectations. If Hardegree is able to improve playcalling while Callahan is able to increase his big picture focus, this has a chance to succeed. In truth, it wasn't working the other way. At least the team shifted direction. Will it get better? Guess we will find out soon. freakingeek, Mythos27, ChemEngr79, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Just now, tgo said: These are the arguments I can think of for keeping Callahan, IF the team starts winning and he's willing to fire Holz this offseason and promote Hardegree in that scenario: -Bill Callahan (Not even sure if he's a real net positive yet, the OL will need to massively improve) -Offensive terminology/continuity for Ward and the other young players on offense -Keeping Dennard Wilson (he'll need to massively improve to be worth keeping, but he does have real potential as a top notch DC) -Keeping Bones Fassel -Overall coaching and org stability for a young team -In the off chance that Hardegree is wildly successful, Callahan will deserve some credit for hiring and retaining him. That's a whole lot of what-ifs and when it comes down to it, Borgonzi is going to be the one that is the hardest to convince on keeping him even if everything goes right from here on out (highly unlikely) They aren't keeping him. This is essentially a pre-firing. titanskick8851, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 I like this move and its was obviously 10% forced by Borgonzi and/or Brinker. The fact they bypassed Holz says everything about how they feel about his contributions as OC. They will spin it that they wanted to have someone with experience doing it but that is just window dressing. Now Callahan can focus on being a HC and see if he can turn this around. I'd go so far as to say if Callahan survives the year, Holz and Cally SR will be gone. DCTitan, airmcnair22, and Nash 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Does anyone have a quick rundown of what Bo did when he was calling plays for the raiders? Not how well he did but the style he liked to call? If anyone watched a decent ammount of their games that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Just now, tgo said: These are the arguments I can think of for keeping Callahan, IF the team starts winning and he's willing to fire Holz this offseason and promote Hardegree in that scenario: -Bill Callahan (Not even sure if he's a real net positive yet, the OL will need to massively improve) -Offensive terminology/continuity for Ward and the other young players on offense -Keeping Dennard Wilson (he'll need to massively improve to be worth keeping, but he does have real potential as a top notch DC) -Keeping Bones Fassel -Overall coaching and org stability for a young team -In the off chance that Hardegree is wildly successful, Callahan will deserve some credit for hiring and retaining him. That's a whole lot of what-ifs and when it comes down to it, Borgonzi is going to be the one that is the hardest to convince on keeping him even if everything goes right from here on out (highly unlikely) The offensive system in general imo. It's a very complicated system that puts alot of control and stress on the QB. If it works and you have a QB, it's fantastic but it takes a while to master and really leans heavily on the QB. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted September 23, 2025 Report Share Posted September 23, 2025 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: Are you for real upset by this interaction? Lol didn't smell bitch in this back and forth until recently. Upset? No. Frustrated? You bet! You try watching a team you root for go 0-3 in some of the most hapless ways imaginable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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