Here is the big concern with Vrabel going forward

[nine]

They obviously need to be more balanced on first down.   It kinda speaks for itself.

 

I'd also like to see Henry given more of a presence on third downs....especially 3rd & 5 or less.   I'm not even talking about getting him the ball in those situations;   just having him on the field forces the defense to account for him, thus making their job harder.

 

This year, Tannehill's 3rd down passer rating  (86.2) was significantly lower than other downs.   Of course, this wasn't just because Henry wasn't out there.....but taking him off the field  definitely makes the defense's job easier.

[BudsOilers]

2 hours ago, nine said:

They obviously need to be more balanced on first down.   It kinda speaks for itself.

 

I'd also like to see Henry given more of a presence on third downs....especially 3rd & 5 or less.   I'm not even talking about getting him the ball in those situations;   just having him on the field forces the defense to account for him, thus making their job harder.

 

This year, Tannehill's 3rd down passer rating  (86.2) was significantly lower than other downs.   Of course, this wasn't just because Henry wasn't out there.....but taking him off the field  definitely makes the defense's job easier.

 

3rd and 7-9 was particularly troubling.  My guess is that situationally, this exposed the LT issue.  I also know that 3rd down efficiency dropped for a while after Humphries went out. 

[OILERMAN]

On 1/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, OILERMAN said:

Vrabel is more offensively conservative than Fisher or Mularkey. Almost comically so. 

 

The Titans run the ball and run the ball on 1st down at a level you just don't see in the NFL. Warren Sharpe predicted the Titans would flop because of it.  He was wrong about them flopping but he wasn't wrong overall, but more about that in a second. 

 

There were times this season when I knew it was a losing formula but they overcame it or won doing it. 

 

Today the way the KC defense was playing I really think the Titans could have taken control by going for the kill and staying aggressive. They would have at least made it a better game. 

 

Here is what should scare us. This conservative strategy got the Titans to the AFC title game because the redzone offense, running game and efficiency were at an unsustainable historic level. Not only is it impossible to duplicate this but Vrabel seems to think it's the way to go. 

 

Th running game and redzone offense will likely not be this great again. If Vrabel doesn't adapt then they'll never advance this far again.

 

 

 

[Supernope]

being on the Titans analytics staff is like being a globe salesman at a flat earthers convention 

[Number9]

Who is digging up the zombie threads?

[SleepingTitan]

On 1/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, OILERMAN said:

Th running game and redzone offense will likely not be this great again. If Vrabel doesn't adapt then they'll never advance this far again.

 

 

Edit: What actually has been true, is that when we require RT to THROW MORE (which is what you were advocating for with this post) we LOSE MORE. DH had an historic run after you posted this. I'm surprised you revived the thread. RT's decline began with DH's but has been blamed on literally everything except RT. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by SleepingTitan

[IsntLifeFunny]

Tannehill's decline happened when we went from a team with an assortment of weapons, prime Henry, and at least adequate pass blocking that allowed the team to dictate to the opponent. We've had staggeringly bad pass blocking for going on 3 years and now the cupboard is bone dry and Henry is a step slower behind a line that isn't nearly as dominant in run blocking. Add on the injuries and voila. 

[OILERMAN]

On 1/19/2020 at 4:53 PM, OILERMAN said:

Vrabel is more offensively conservative than Fisher or Mularkey. Almost comically so. 

 

The Titans run the ball and run the ball on 1st down at a level you just don't see in the NFL. Warren Sharpe predicted the Titans would flop because of it.  He was wrong about them flopping but he wasn't wrong overall, but more about that in a second. 

 

There were times this season when I knew it was a losing formula but they overcame it or won doing it. 

 

Today the way the KC defense was playing I really think the Titans could have taken control by going for the kill and staying aggressive. They would have at least made it a better game. 

 

Here is what should scare us. This conservative strategy got the Titans to the AFC title game because the redzone offense, running game and efficiency were at an unsustainable historic level. Not only is it impossible to duplicate this but Vrabel seems to think it's the way to go. 

 

Th running game and redzone offense will likely not be this great again. If Vrabel doesn't adapt then they'll never advance this far again.

 

 

 

@scine09 This was 3 years ago, nothing has changed and this isn't new

[Justafan]

The hope was that Vrabel was scheming around his talent and that he would evolve as the talent evolved.

 

In reality, that talent was covering up for the fact that he wasn't anything special as a HC. Now, he has a good reputation built on the backs of guys like Ryan Tannehill, Derrick Henry, and Arthur Smith - a lucky hire of a guy who happened to be a holdover from the previous staff.  It's all unraveling now that QC completely failed to hold on to that talent, and the Titans can no longer beat up on a pathetic AFC South. 

[OILERMAN]

1 minute ago, Justafan said:

In reality, that talent was covering up for the fact that he wasn't anything special as a HC.

 

An insanely efficient passing game covered up for his ridiculous run heavy philosophy

[BudsOilers]

26 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

@scine09 This was 3 years ago, nothing has changed and this isn't new

Well he is a fucking moron.   We've been talking about this for years.

[scine09]

51 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

@scine09 This was 3 years ago, nothing has changed and this isn't new

I think there's a difference between being conservative and being stubborn.  I don't think he's afraid to of the team making mistakes.  I think he thinks this is how you win in the NFL.

[rns90]

He's also arrogant as hell which doesn't help and micromanages as well.  This can be covered up if you have the players.  He doesn't now and is being exposed.

[AussieTitanFan08]

5-16 in his last 21 games

32 games (including playoffs) since this team last scored 30+

0-4 in the AFC South this year

Only team in the division currently with a losing record

 

And this ship is still trending in the wrong direction.

[scine09]

I'll preface this by saying I do not expect Vrabel to be fired.  But if they were to move I would think it would be a desirable destination with a young QB that's shown promise, a ton of cap space and the new stadium coming up.