IsntLifeFunny Posted Tuesday at 06:15 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:15 PM Just now, titanruss said: The logical leaps and disconnected arguments are weird. No one is backing Callahan here. No one said lets have Holz call plays... no one, when hired, said "lets have Holz just call the plays if Brian fucks it up. These are all made up arguments that have nothing to do with anything. They hired Callahan because of his pedigree, offense, history with great QBs, history with Burrow/Browning.. and because he was the anti-Vrabel. - AT NO POINT WAS IT EVER SAID that he was hired because of his playcalling abilities.. Its insane for YOU to rewrite history for a pointless argument or act like anyone is defending Holz/Cally. Fucking retarded. Sheesh. He sold the FO and ownership on him calling plays. They were stupid enough to believe him. That's literally why he was hired was to take over the offense, including calling plays. Justafan, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scine09 Posted Tuesday at 06:15 PM Popular Post Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:15 PM Let's give Callahan some time now that he's not going to call plays and see if he improves. Mythos27, Justafan, titanskick8851, and 4 others 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted Tuesday at 06:16 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:16 PM Just now, scine09 said: I was just thinking about this, is it a coincidence that a lot of the poor game managers are the ones who call plays? Even the so called great ones (Shanahan, Reid, Payton) have always struggled with game management. Maybe there's something to it. It's very difficult to do both, even for the top playcallers. And for someone like Callahan who had no experience doing either going into last year? It's no wonder he's struggled so much. Yep, have thought about that before for sure. I think you have to have many years experience as a play caller to be even manageable at both. Mike McCarthy had the same issue. Mularkey and Smith both said they didn't think it was wise to try and do both - although Mularkey tried in his first stint as HC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted Tuesday at 06:16 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:16 PM 1 hour ago, TeamRamrod said: For the love of god, it’s HOLZ guys. Who's this Holz guy? Never heard of him. japan, and airmcnair22 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted Tuesday at 06:17 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:17 PM 28 minutes ago, reo said: Vrabel was a fairly well known micromanager. He wanted to control everything. I bet vrable even insited on having the toilet paper rolls hung the wrong way to keep people on edge. Mythos27, reo, and Smokes 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted Tuesday at 06:17 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:17 PM 2 minutes ago, titanruss said: Its insane for YOU to rewrite history for a pointless argument or act like anyone is defending Holz/Cally. Hell, all I want is to is to see if the lack of playcalling responaibilities helps him to improve his shitty game management. By all means, keep the pitchforks within reach, but hold off for now. Nah, can't have that. The vampires are thirsty AF! titanruss, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM 1 minute ago, TF_Titan said: Who's this Holz guy? Never heard of him. He cleans the facility gloryholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM Just now, tgo said: Yep, have thought about that before for sure. I think you have to have many years experience as a play caller to be even manageable at both. Mike McCarthy had the same issue. Mularkey and Smith both said they didn't think it was wise to try and do both - although Mularkey tried in his first stint as HC. Yeah, that went well lol. While I'm skeptical that Callahan can improve significantly in his game managing skills he's the head coach, I want to see if there's any improvement. Ultimately it's in everyone associated with the team's best interest for this to work out. Firing him, despite the fan anger, is not in anyone with the team's best interest. It would signify failure and starting over again at the position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted Tuesday at 06:19 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:19 PM 6 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: What safeguards? LOL!!! Literally the guy they just put in charge of calling plays. haha. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted Tuesday at 06:20 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:20 PM Just now, titanruss said: LOL!!! Literally the guy they just put in charge of calling plays. haha. A year after he was hired...I'm sure he told the FO just give it a year guys and if I suck I promise we'll bring in someone who can take over when I continue my run of incompetence! titanruss, rns90, and DCTitan 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaTitan Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM 6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Callahan's ability to call plays was the weakest part of his resume because he'd never done it. Many questioned it at the time of his hiring and it was discussed a fair bit on the board. The threads are still there. His #1 selling point among posters on this board was that he was bringing with him a "modern" pass first offense that would be the complete opposite of Vrabel's first down-heavy offense. At no point do I remember conversations on here about expectations that he would be an amazing playcaller; we largely wanted to see if he could do it all. Him publicly failing is certainly a bad look and this is certainly not a positive for him but calling plays was not a condition of his employment and I don't know where people are getting this. It's also not like a ton of very good head coaches don't call plays. Anyways, the hope here is that the reason Callahan was trash at game management is because he was distracted with calling the offense and can't multi-task for shit. We'll find out pretty quickly if that's the case. This is definitely a bad look and yet another humiliation but it might save his job. plus he's a nepo, so thats 2 strikes against him. another reason why fassel as interim would be terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM Just now, rns90 said: His first home game after that is against Vrabel . He better coach well on that one. I think the bar has been raised for him. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt, if he ever did. He's got to win games. Just not embarrassing the team, as I mentioned, is a necessary but not suffiicient condition. Only winning will do that. I see two glimmers of hope for him. The schedule lightens up and maybe he gets some players, especially the OL, back from injury. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM 2 minutes ago, scine09 said: Yeah, that went well lol. While I'm skeptical that Callahan can improve significantly in his game managing skills he's the head coach, I want to see if there's any improvement. Ultimately it's in everyone associated with the team's best interest for this to work out. Firing him, despite the fan anger, is not in anyone with the team's best interest. It would signify failure and starting over again at the position. I would love for it to work out and for us to have some continuity. I don't think it's likely at all, but not impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted Tuesday at 06:22 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:22 PM 8 minutes ago, scine09 said: I was just thinking about this, is it a coincidence that a lot of the poor game managers are the ones who call plays? Even the so called great ones (Shanahan, Reid, Payton) have always struggled with game management. Maybe there's something to it. It's very difficult to do both, even for the top playcallers. And for someone like Callahan who had no experience doing either going into last year? It's no wonder he's struggled so much. They do rely on guys in the booth to help them out with this stuff. Sounds like the guy that Callahan has in the booth is not helping him out at all. DCTitan, and Mythos27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted Tuesday at 06:22 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:22 PM So far this is following the same pattern we've been following for 20 years now. rns90, and Supernope 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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