Callahan gives playcalling to Hardegree (QB Coach)

[oldschool]

8 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Him being the play caller was the package. He sold himself on it and was hired to do so. 

 

This isn't even a debate. The whole reason he hired Holz is because Callahan was the defacto OC/play caller. Thats the model. Callahan wasn't going to attract some experienced OC/playcaller to be his OC in name only and thats not a knock on him. thats how all these teams operate. No one knew who McVay's or Shanny Jr's OCs were until they had success under those guys. Holz is an easy target but the blame is 100% on Callahan for not delivering a next gen offense even with the roster issues. 

[rns90]

Just now, Titans279 said:

So far this is following the same pattern we've been following for 20 years now.

 

 

Watch when he hire Schwartz as HC and his ties to Fisher.

[oldschool]

Just now, rns90 said:

Watch when he hire Schwartz as HC and his ties to Fisher.

 

 

[Jamalisms]

The schedule gets easier and there's plenty of runway. If this team starts looking competent, there's nothing guaranteed. Hard to break up a staff that's showing improvement and momentum with a young team.

 

But he was absolutely hired to be the playcaller under the hope he's good at it and you lock in never having to lose the playcaller again. That's not the only thing they hired him for but it's a big part of the package of hopes and assumptions driving his hiring. Instead of stepping forward, the offense is producing even worse than Henry and a cloud of dust and the team is less competitive than ever. 

 

So, they've given up the hopes he's a playcalling HC. Bringing his dad as OL coach hasn't transformed that line either. The futility of letting him hire a buddy at OC is slapping them in the face now. The team is super undisciplined. He doesn't appear to know the rules and his game management sucks. At least Cam looks to be developing well, though takes lots of hits, and he's probably still an agreeable personality for all the "collaboration" emphasis in the wake of Vrabel.

 

They need wins and competence and fast or his tenure will be defined by too many unrealized hopes and he'll be an easy kill.

[scine09]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

I would love for it to work out and for us to have some continuity. 

 

I don't think it's likely at all, but not impossible. 

Well it's not impossible seeing as he's still the coach and there's 14 games that remain.  But I think this is his last shot to make it work.

[titanruss]

37 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

You are legit an idiot. He told the FO that he could design and run an offense therefore never have to worry about losing an OC, which is what happened with Vrabel. If you can't connect the dots you're for real an idiot. 

 

What arent you getting?

 

Everyone knows he told them he was going to call plays. 

If you think he was hired simply because of it and wouldnt have been hired unless he said it.. then you are reading wayyyyy into it. 

They literally said at the time that he could give up playcalling if need be. 

 

Think of it this way. If Callahan says he has a playcalling OC in mind to hire.. you honestly think the FO would have said "NO!"

 

Yes, this is bad overall for the HC. Both of these things can be true. 

 

Edited September 23, 2025 by titanruss

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, VaTitan said:

plus he's a nepo, so thats 2 strikes against him.  another reason why fassel as interim would be terrible.

Eh, he's half nepo. His dad being his dad got him in the league but him being able to ride the coattails of successful QBs is what got him HC looks. In that sense he's not very different from other coordinators turned HCs. 

[reo]

1 minute ago, oldschool said:

 

This isn't even a debate. The whole reason he hired Holz is because Callahan was the defacto OC/play caller. Thats the model. Callahan wasn't going to attract some experienced OC/playcaller to be his OC in name only and thats not a knock on him. thats how all these teams operate. No one knew who McVay's or Shanny Jr's OCs were until they had success under those guys. Holz is an easy target but the blame is 100% on Callahan for not delivering a next gen offense even with the roster issues. 

 

It was a given that he'd call plays, yes.

 

That doesn't mean it was a perk. It means he wanted to do it so they let him do it. 

 

if  you think he was hired b/c he was some great play caller.. having never called plays.. you're dumb.

[CreepingDeath]

38 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Tell AI to show him half-rotted and this would be 100% better.  

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Jamalisms said:

The schedule gets easier and there's plenty of runway. If this team starts looking competent, there's nothing guaranteed.

 

But he was absolutely hired to be the playcaller under the hope he's good at it and you lock in never having to lose the playcaller again. That's not the only thing they hired him for but it's a big part of the package of hopes and assumptions driving his hiring. Instead of stepping forward, the offense is producing even worse than Henry and a cloud of dust and the team is less competitive than ever. 

 

So, they've given up the hopes he's a playcalling HC. Bringing his dad as OL coach hasn't transformed that line either. The futility of letting him hire a buddy at OC is slapping them in the face now. The team is support undisciplined. He doesn't appear to know the rules and his game management sucks. At least Cam looks to be developing well, though takes lots of hits, and he's probably still an agreeable personality for all the "collaboration" emphasis in the wake of Vrabel.

 

They need wins and competence and fast or his tenure will be defined by too many unrealized hopes and he'll be an easy kill.

 

agree with all of this except the Holz stuff. I'll keep saying it, Play calling HC's don't attract experienced OCs. Holz had an NFL resume, its very common for guys like him to get psuedo OC roles under HCs that call their own plays. Now I'm by no means saying Holz is a good coach but this victory lap of yours on this topic is misplaced. 

[rns90]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

The schedule gets easier and there's plenty of runway. If this team starts looking competent, there's nothing guaranteed.

 

But he was absolutely hired to be the playcaller under the hope he's good at it and you lock in never having to lose the playcaller again. That's not the only thing they hired him for but it's a big part of the package of hopes and assumptions driving his hiring. Instead of stepping forward, the offense is producing even worse than Henry and a cloud of dust and the team is less competitive than ever. 

 

So, they've given up the hopes he's a playcalling HC. Bringing his dad as OL coach hasn't transformed that line either. The futility of letting him hire a buddy at OC is slapping them in the face now. The team is support undisciplined. He doesn't appear to know the rules and his game management sucks. At least Cam looks to be developing well, though takes lots of hits, and he's probably still an agreeable personality for all the "collaboration" emphasis in the wake of Vrabel.

 

They need wins and competence and fast or his tenure will be defined by too many unrealized hopes and he'll be an easy kill.

Honestly Callahan Sr. stinking up the joint as OL coach is probably the most disappointing.

 

I just don’t see many wins because of the things you mentioned + lack of talent on defense , even with the easier schedule.

[titanruss]

13 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Fucking retarded. Sheesh. He sold the FO and ownership on him calling plays. They were stupid enough to believe him. That's literally why he was hired was to take over the offense, including calling plays. 

 

No... he sold them on a consistent offensive scheme. That doesn't mean he has to be the ones calling the plays. 

 

You seem to be misremembering.

Edited September 23, 2025 by titanruss

[titanruss]

12 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Hell, all I want is to is to see if the lack of playcalling responaibilities helps him to improve his shitty game management. By all means, keep the pitchforks within reach, but hold off for now.

 

Nah, can't have that. The vampires are thirsty AF!

 

I think he's going to suck ass regardless and will still over-rule the playcaller. 

 

I also think Cam will just eventually start audibling to whatever the hell he wants if it gets too bad. 

 

But i do hold out hopes that it helps him some with management and that the team can get to the line faster. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by titanruss

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

agree with all of this except the Holz stuff. I'll keep saying it, Play calling HC's don't attract experienced OCs. Holz had an NFL resume, its very common for guys like him to get psuedo OC roles under HCs that call their own plays. Now I'm by no means saying Holz is a good coach but this victory lap of yours on this topic is misplaced. 

Not trying to give you a homework assignment but how does Holz's resume compare to Callahan's resume before Cally got the HC job? 

[oldschool]

19 minutes ago, rns90 said:

Honestly Callahan Sr. stinking up the joint as OL coach is probably the most disappointing.

 

I just don’t see many wins because of the things you mentioned + lack of talent on defense , even with the easier schedule.

 

after going 3-17 the past year +, I think we have enough evidence to prove Callahan sucks at calling plays. I think he has some good ideas, guys were open a lot last year, but he lacks the feel good OCs have where they set you up, keep you guessing on offense, when to take a shot and when not to. how to neutralize the rush with quick throws, misdirection, etc... You can be strong schematically, I believe he is, but have no feel for it on game days and thats what I see. 

Edited September 23, 2025 by oldschool