Mythos27 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, TF_Titan said: I expect Vrabel to mostly get high fives in the locker room. I guess that's sort of addressing it. In Russini's honor he'll get mid fives instead. OILERMAN, NashvilleNinja, titanruss, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 (edited) As a hypothetical... If photos came out showing Albert Breer at a romantic getaway, holding hands with the wife of Robert Kraft, after public accusations of Sean McVay accusing him of sleeping with his wife, and Breer had been consistently pushing biased narratives related to the Pats... 1) No one would be like, "they are just friends!" 2) No one would feel like Breer was being pressured in an awkward power dynamic 3) It would be even more scandalous than the Russini/Vrabel story 4) Breer would catch way more media heat I do think there's an interesting conversation to have here, questioning if sexual favors are any worse than the non-sexual, blatant shilling that other insiders do? They are all pushing lies to help certain people, scratch backs, and gain access. All parties gain from the deception and get paid for it. And while this country can be extraordinarily sexist with double-standards, I think the problems with Russini are more based on the professional ethics of her job. Edit: I do think the general public wouldn't care as much about the sexual infidelity of Breer. Many would even respect him for wooing the women -- that's where I think some of the sexism and double-standard lies. Edited April 16 by cenj Mythos27, and oldschool 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, cenj said: As a hypothetical... If it photos came out showing Albert Breer at a romantic getaway, holding hands with the wife of Robert Kraft, after public accusations of Sean McVay accusing him of sleeping with his wife, and Breer had been consistently pushing biased narratives related to the Pats... 1) No one would be like, "they are just friends!" 2) No one would feel like Breer was being pressured in an awkward power dynamic 3) It would be even more scandalous than the Russini/Vrabel story 4) Breer would catch way more media heat I do think there's an interesting conversation to have here, questioning if sexual favors are any worse than the non-sexual, blatant shilling that other insiders do? They are all pushing lies to help certain people, scratch backs, and gain access. All parties gain from the deception and get paid for it. And while this country can be extraordinarily sexist with double-standards, I think the problems with Russini are more based on the professional ethics of her job. How about Breer and AAS on top of him pimping the new hires and Cam, etc? You think people would be outraged? Maybe about the age gap but I don't see a sex outrage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: How about Breer and AAS on top of him pimping the new hires and Cam, etc? You think people would be outraged? Maybe about the age gap but I don't see a sex outrage. I added an edit above right when you asked this, fyi... In general, I do think both parties being married makes this worse, as does Vrabel's image of being a respected family man, as does Russini's multiple allegations and her dogging her husband on air. There are a lot of factors that make this situation particularly unpalatable. Mythos27, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 18 minutes ago, cenj said: As a hypothetical... If photos came out showing Albert Breer at a romantic getaway, holding hands with the wife of Robert Kraft, after public accusations of Sean McVay accusing him of sleeping with his wife, and Breer had been consistently pushing biased narratives related to the Pats... 1) No one would be like, "they are just friends!" 2) No one would feel like Breer was being pressured in an awkward power dynamic 3) It would be even more scandalous than the Russini/Vrabel story 4) Breer would catch way more media heat I do think there's an interesting conversation to have here, questioning if sexual favors are any worse than the non-sexual, blatant shilling that other insiders do? They are all pushing lies to help certain people, scratch backs, and gain access. All parties gain from the deception and get paid for it. And while this country can be extraordinarily sexist with double-standards, I think the problems with Russini are more based on the professional ethics of her job. Edit: I do think the general public wouldn't care as much about the sexual infidelity of Breer. Many would even respect him for wooing the women -- that's where I think some of the sexism and double-standard lies. This was a symbiotic relationship. It can also be argued that Vrabel used sex to promote a professional agenda....promote a trade for AJ Brown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NoDohNuts Posted April 16 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 16 Funny, America cares more about some prick NFL coach fucking a hoe NFL journalist than about the president fucking children. IsntLifeFunny, prometheus, DecepticonShawn2, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ctm Posted April 16 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 16 Just now, NoDohNuts said: Funny, America cares more about some prick NFL coach fucking a hoe NFL journalist than about the president fucking children. Nope. It's just the wrong forum to discuss it. titanruss, begooode, Mythos27, and 5 others 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 51 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: @Justafanhow about me trying to vocalize the point this way? Does it better explain things or do your objections remain the same / maybe even grow? People are way more comfortable saying Russini (allegedly) used sexual favors to facilitate her career than they are comfortable saying men in power are accepting sexual favors as a facilitation of opening doors to her. I find that troubling. we have no idea if there was as sex for stories or sex for favors thing going on at all. we do know there are stories and there was (preemptively) sex. only one here needs to be careful with the optics of that scenario in a vacuum and its the reporter - regardless of gender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 55 minutes ago, abenjami said: I think there is a ton of overreaction going on about this situation. A man and a woman who work in the same industry hooked up. Big fucking deal. This literally happens thousands of times a day in all types of industries. And I am guessing if neither of them was married, this wouldn't be much of a story at all and the media would be portraying it as cute. As far as Russini crossing some kind of ethical line, she's a fucking journalist and he's a coach of a football team. Let's stop trying to pretend this is akin to a psychologist sleeping with his or her patient because it's not even close to being in the same realm. Now if you want to pass judgment on them because they are married and you believe they are cheating on their spouses, that's fine with me. Just realize you are making the assumption they are in traditional monogamous relationships and not involved in swinging, ENM or having a hall pass. the only thing that matters to me is using a media member deliberately to try and manipulate a team/player/fanbase/other reporter with false stories and tampering. the optics of their relationship no doubt hurts women reporters and there's a reason its a big deal to many in that community. I could care less who they fuck Mythos27, and begooode 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 42 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: How about Breer and AAS on top of him pimping the new hires and Cam, etc? You think people would be outraged? Maybe about the age gap but I don't see a sex outrage. I think he'd largely get a pass with people thinking he'd suffered enough. Jamalisms, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Jamalisms said: I agree. A lot of the reason she gets treated worse than whoever it was that got caught having a source edit his work (big journalistic no no) is because of the taboo of sex. It's not about the journalism. I also think a male reporter sleeping with a female coach would be way, way less a scandal ... so gender comes into it. But even I don't care to discuss that beyond mentioning it. Schefter getting a pass for the "Mr. Editor" comments was wrong. Other media should have definitely criticized him more for that. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 There is nothing that will happen to Vrabel from a job standpoint, but I do contend teams could press for potential tampering charges based on texts and emails between them. That being said, the loudest in the room preaching accountability, doesn’t show it when his name is called. That’s going to be a problem for him. Ultimately his punishment will be the downhill slide his career likely goes on. He is so arrogant that he isn’t understanding part of his audience is tuning him out. Last year was the closest he will get to a SB and the clock will now speed up on him. DecepticonShawn2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 (edited) “Let’s be sure to thank the cabana boy for bringing over the drinks to our mistress. Be sure to learn his name and say hi when you see him around the resort. Respect in all the things we do, let’s do it the right way. Accountability always.” - Mike Vrabel (probably) Edited April 16 by AvgJoe CreepingDeath, TampaTitan, Nash, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, ctm said: Nope. It's just the wrong forum to discuss it. The President fucked kids? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted Thursday at 10:42 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:42 PM 6 hours ago, Jamalisms said: I'm the least anonymous person here. I use my really name, "NashvilleNinja", I share personal details about where I live and what field I work in, I meet up with people in real life (some people run from that), I am very much *not* OILERMAN, rns90, and Jamalisms 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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