Wyatt: Carthon Fired

[Jamalisms]

1 minute ago, Titans279 said:

 

Is PK saying Carthon was fired for poor work ethic and not necessarily for the bad moves?

 

That would help explain why Brinker is safe despite being clearly heavily involved in the bad moves.

 

Seems implied by a good bit of what he's said since the firing. Not that people who hated those moves but give Brinker a full pass (for some reason) want to hear it.

[oldschool]

2 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

 

Is PK saying Carthon was fired for poor work ethic and not necessarily for the bad moves?

 

That would help explain why Brinker is safe despite being clearly heavily involved in the bad moves.

 

I've been on this train for a few days now. it makes the most sense. Although poor work ethic might be a little harsh. I imagine its more about him not being ready for the job and not stepping into the role the way an executive needs to.

Edited January 9, 2025 by oldschool

[oldschool]

another thing I'll add here that my boss told me years ago, The higher up you move, the lonelier it gets because the decisions gets tougher and its easier to strain relationships if there are in cracks in the wall. 

[animatormike]

31 minutes ago, TitanUpNorth said:

Trading AJ Brown was the nail in the coffin for JRob

I've always felt we were a bit off in our assessment of what happened with JRob.

1. I think Amy's reaction makes more sense if we assume that she felt mislead on the status of the AJ Brown contract negotiations.  That Eagles game was when he told the press that he was open to resigning with the Titans and they never got an offer back from JRob. Perhaps she even talked to AJ or his agent when she was at the game. Either way the immediate firing would make more sense if she felt she had been lied to and lost all trust in him, rather than just some emotional reaction to the Eagles loss.

2. JRob's dramatic fall off in his ability to perform the job, combined with the tone of her announcement and the silence from all parties since then always reminded me of situations I have been in where an executive was let go due to unaddressed substance abuse issues. Always been hesitant to say that out loud, and of course it is probably irresponsible to say now, but I have never been able to shake that feeling.

[titanruss]

When Ran started... he basically said that his wife didnt want him working too hard and talked the first year about how he had to get home to be with his family a bunch.

 

A wife not fully on board with the work necessary.

A GM possibly pushed by the league in response to our Rooney rule issues. (not saying race had anything to do with it but you have to consider the possibility that it was taken into account)

An emotional hire partly based on being the opposite of the HC.

 

 

[INTitan]

3 minutes ago, animatormike said:

I've always felt we were a bit off in our assessment of what happened with JRob.

1. I think Amy's reaction makes more sense if we assume that she felt mislead on the status of the AJ Brown contract negotiations.  That Eagles game was when he told the press that he was open to resigning with the Titans and they never got an offer back from JRob. Perhaps she even talked to AJ or his agent when she was at the game. Either way the immediate firing would make more sense if she felt she had been lied to and lost all trust in him, rather than just some emotional reaction to the Eagles loss.

2. JRob's dramatic fall off in his ability to perform the job, combined with the tone of her announcement and the silence from all parties since then always reminded me of situations I have been in where an executive was let go due to unaddressed substance abuse issues. Always been hesitant to say that out loud, and of course it is probably irresponsible to say now, but I have never been able to shake that feeling.

I remember listening to a live radio feed of a Titans party/event the night before the AFC Championship in KC.

They brought JRob up to talk and he slurred thru most of it.   It was bad and I think AAS was there as well.  Could be wrong as I wasn’t there but it struck me as very unprofessional and a signal of a problem.

[Righteous]

Carthon, Pierce and Mayo were DEI hires.  It’s that simple.  They were used to push the social agenda of the NFL and have been pushed aside.  No one cares about the actual person on the other end of these stupid race based programs.  They don’t work for anyone.  I don’t see how this is not apparent to all.  They were hired because of racism but they were fired because they were incompetent.  

[Callidus]

2 hours ago, Nash said:

I have to think that AAS likens the current situation to the early 80's Oilers.. she threw good money to try and prop up a declining team after several people including Vrabel, Carthon, and even Robinson convinced her to do so.. this is exactly like BUM going for it in 1980, bringing in Stabler and Dave Casper, coming up short, and then Bud firing BUM and starting the rebuild.. Bud had warned BUM that if he failed he would be fired before the buildup..

 

At this point, Nihil and Brinker have convinced her that rebuilding and going the draft/ development route is the way forward.. Ironically, the first 2 or 3 drafts of that era included Mathews, Munchak, Steinkuler, etc.. just like Skoronski and Latham..

 

As far as Free Agents are concerned, I suspect we are hoping the vast majority of ours sign with another team, helping us build draft capital.. I expect Radunz and Westbrook- Inkine to be resigned, 

I was -8 years old at that point. But this seems like a good writeup on the two situations. 

[BeedoeLaw]

10 minutes ago, Righteous said:

Carthon, Pierce and Mayo were DEI hires.  It’s that simple.  They were used to push the social agenda of the NFL and have been pushed aside.  No one cares about the actual person on the other end of these stupid race based programs.  They don’t work for anyone.  I don’t see how this is not apparent to all.  They were hired because of racism but they were fired because they were incompetent.  

The funny thing is, incompetent white guys tend to hold their jobs much longer.

Edited January 9, 2025 by BeedoeLaw

[oldschool]

19 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said:

The funny thing is, incompetent white guys tend to hold their jobs much longer.

 

why quote that trash? Obviously the NFL has a problem hiring minorities for high profile leadership positions like HC and GM. Its also hard to argue against teams do not move on from minority hires way quicker than they do from white males. That being said the sample size is so small I'm not sure its worth looking at at the macro level. In the end regardless of trends and questionable hiring practices, Carthon wasn't up for the job. Don't let these assholes make it a DEI backlash thing like they are doing with everything else.

Edited January 9, 2025 by oldschool

[IowaOiler]

6 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

why quote that trash? Obviously the NFL has a problem hiring minorities for high profile leadership positions like HC and GM. Its also hard to argue teams do not move on from minority hires way quicker than they do from white males. That being said the sample size is so small I'm not sure its worth looking at at the macro level. In the end regardless of trends and questionable hiring practices, Carthon wasn't up for the job. Don't let these assholes make it a DEI backlash thing like they are doing with everything else.

 

Might be something we agree on.  I hate everything being considered 'racist', but now everything the right disagrees with is 'woke.'  It's stupid, and why both parties are two sides of the same useless coin.  

[BeedoeLaw]

10 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

why quote that trash? Obviously the NFL has a problem hiring minorities for high profile leadership positions like HC and GM. Its also hard to argue teams move on from minority hires way quicker than they do from white males. That beings aid the sample size is so small I'm not sure its worth looking at at the macro level. In the end regardless of trends and questionable hiring practices, Carthon wasn't up for the job. Don't let these assholes make it a DEI backlash thing like they are doing with everything else.

I rarely get involved in race conversations on message boards. I would much rather engage in those conversations in person. In my opinion, the conversation is much more authentic. However, this time I could not help myself. Excuse me for feeding the animal.

 

However, I have to take issue with your statement that it is hard to argue teams move from minorities way quicker than they do from white males. One would only have to look at the two teams in our division in the colts and jags who have both kept 2 incompetent General managers after years of incompetence, and I'm sure there are coaching examples around the league as well.

Edited January 9, 2025 by BeedoeLaw

[Jamalisms]

I'm gonna give Oldschool the benefit of the doubt and say he meant it's hard to argue against.

[oldschool]

1 minute ago, Jamalisms said:

I'm gonna give Oldschool the benefit of the doubt and say he meant it's hard to argue against.

 

yeah thats what I meant, fixed it.

[titanruss]

Why argue anything about racial hiring without stats? How long each race is represented at each position... then you can argue something miiiiggght be racist or not.