airmcnair22 Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: First of all the fact that Brinker sounds smart and Ran doesn't can't be just glossed over. One is clearer smarter. But Brinker's resume speaks for itself. He's been a scout, set the strategy for free agency, the salary cap, analytics etc..... Brinker has also laid out a proven vision for the team and spent over a decade with a team that executed that plan to be one of the best teams in the league. There is clearly a reason one has risen to the top and the other one fired All I’m pointing to is that some of the people who were touting Carthon because he worked his way up in a respected front office like the 49ers are saying the same thing for Brinker Sounding smart and actually executing a plan are two different things. He definitely passes the eye test in the intellectual category, but if he was part of the “collaborative” effort they all preached then his hands are not clean from the decisions that were made. I say this as someone who believes Brinker will be successful for the same reasons you said. The additional information you laid out about his background is helpful and is what I was looking for. OILERMAN, and Mythos27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 10 minutes ago, airmcnair22 said: but if he was part of the “collaborative” effort they all preached then his hands are not clean from the decisions that were made. His hands could def have some dirt on them in regards to off season moves. It's not the point he doesn't deserve the top spot imo airmcnair22, oldschool, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmcnair22 Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 1 minute ago, OILERMAN said: His hands could def have some dirt on them in regards to off season moves. It's not the point he doesn't deserve the top spot imo Totally agree. I actually felt hope after hearing his vision. Something I wish Ran would’ve been more clear on during his tenure here. The wild card in all of this is Amy. If she can be patient then I think this could work really well. But that’s a big if Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BudsOilers Posted January 9, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 What a lot of people are either intentionally missing or unable to grasp that even in the flawed collaborative model AAS had until Tuesday morning, the person in charge of that area was ultimately responsible/accountable for the decisions. Right or wrong. Completely fair or not. Carthon had accountability for the 2024 roster, scouting, and coaching efforts. Training staff as well. That was different than his 2023 role where he didn't have the Coaching staff stuff but technically had all of things that Brinker took with him as the PFO. It's also very clear that aside from pure personnel scouting, Carthon was not prepared to be a GM. Hence that's why all of the sudden Brinker seemed to be way more visible mid-season onward as we've pointed out many times. From what came out, sounds like he was taking on even more of the GM duties because Carthon wasn't doing them. Now I've always thought since Brinker was put into the PFO role that he would eventually have the GM reporting to him, whether it was Carthon or someone else. Makes sense and it also provides clear accountability/clarity. If Brinker hires the wrong GM, it's on Brinker. If Callahan doesn't improve, it's on Brinker. Where I believe both Robinson and Carthon lost the faith of AAS is overselling the expectations and underperforming them. Whenever I've heard Brinker talk in the last 2 years, he very much was selling a rebuild and patience. Meanwhile Carthon's patting his own back about a great offseason where they addressed all of their needs. We saw how that went. titanskick8851, Justafan, airmcnair22, and 4 others 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 3 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: His hands could def have some dirt on them in regards to off season moves. It's not the point he doesn't deserve the top spot imo I imagine it became clear who was handling their role better and more efficiently. When you report up to a CEO or Owner, the expectations are sky high and you better be more than just a JAG. In the end, I would bet Brinker was way ahead on selling a vision, explaining what went right and what went wrong and just overall executive level stuff. BudsOilers, OILERMAN, airmcnair22, and 1 other 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Right or wrong. Completely fair or not. Carthon had accountability for the 2024 roster, scouting, and coaching efforts. Training staff as well. Beyond the 2024 roster, the position the team currently sits. Brinker talks patience and building through the draft and developing talent, acquiring draft capitol, limited exposure to free agents. The team passed on QB prospects last year, traded away picks and spent a ton of money on big named free agents. The Titans have two picks in the top 3 rounds. Now we need a QB an have limited quality draft capitol. Justafan, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted January 9, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 The problem isn't that Ran was sleeping on the job, the problem was he wasn't asleep enough! kgsTitan, Justafan, OilerTitanHybrid, and 4 others 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: I imagine it became clear who was handling their role better and more efficiently. When you report up to a CEO or Owner, the expectations are sky high and you better be more than just a JAG. In the end, I would bet Brinker was way ahead on selling a vision, explaining what went right and what went wrong and just overall executive level stuff. Contrast that with Carthon being incapable of stating his vision and contradicting AAS' statements when they let Vrabel go. That probably was a definite "Oh Fuck what do we have here" moment. smokeater, and OILERMAN 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 1 minute ago, BudsOilers said: Contrast that with Carthon being incapable of stating his vision and contradicting AAS' statements when they let Vrabel go. That probably was a definite "Oh Fuck what do we have here" moment. This is no way defending Vrabel, he had to go.... But two things occurred to him. Will Levis totally sucked and Carthon was a moron. I don't think that makes Vrabel a prophet, he just got a closer look at the two them than everyone else ChesterCopperpot1, smokeater, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 Wise Amy Adams Strunk has excised the traitorous miscreant sabotaging the team from the inside! We now have a certified genius who understands everything in charge. He will finally lead the team to the promised land! Mythos27, and Supernope 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 Just now, OILERMAN said: This is no way defending Vrabel, he had to go.... But two things occurred to him. Will Levis totally sucked and Carthon was a moron. I don't think that makes Vrabel a prophet, he just got a closer look at the two them than everyone else 100% - but that's low hanging fruit. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 3 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Wise Amy Adams Strunk has excised the traitorous miscreant sabotaging the team from the inside! Well damn - it was Mike Keith all along? Titans279, and Supernope 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 1 minute ago, Titans279 said: Wise Amy Adams Strunk has excised the traitorous miscreant sabotaging the team from the inside! We now have a certified genius who understands everything in charge. He will finally lead the team to the promised land! So explain to us why she needed to keep Robinson, Vrabel, or Carthon? I mean things were so great with no playoff wins, losing seasons, progressively worse results..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 Just now, BudsOilers said: So explain to us why she needed to keep Robinson, Vrabel, or Carthon? I mean things were so great with no playoff wins, losing seasons, progressively worse results..... I don’t think I’ve ever said these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted January 9, 2025 Report Share Posted January 9, 2025 14 minutes ago, oldschool said: ... just a JAG ... Side note but this has always bugged me. It's like saying "RIP in peace." japan, Mythos27, and Tex in a Can 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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