Popular Post BudsOilers Posted July 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Mike Sando 1h ago 27 Welcome to my sixth annual Quarterback Tiers survey. As “QB Tiers” makes its debut on The Athletic after five years at ESPN, a short primer is in order. Fifty-five NFL coaches and executives contributed to the survey this year by placing all veteran starting quarterbacks into one of five tiers and then offering insights into their thinking. Tier 1 is reserved for the best, while Tier 5 is so poor that no starters received a majority of votes in that tier this year. A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations. A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game. A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defense to win. A lower-volume passing offense makes his job easier. A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup. Mariota ranked 26th (Tier 3) with Tier 4 starting with Lamar Jackson who was ranked 28th. Tier 3 started with Cam Newton, ranked 15th. Quote 26. Marcus Mariota Tier 2 votes: 2 | Tier 3 votes: 44 | Tier 4 votes: 9 “Against QBs like him, I tell my guys, ‘If we make them drive the length of the field, they’ll f— it up.’” Mariota enters his fifth-year option season facing two questions: Is he good enough to be a long-term starter? And can he get/stay healthy enough to play consistently? There’s more optimism regarding Mariota’s ability than his availability. “I think they are looking for a guy next year,” a GM said. “Can’t stay healthy, I still question him in the pocket, a little disappointing.” Another GM said he was concerned for Mariota’s career at this point even though Mariota owns one more start than Winston, one fewer than Roethlisberger and the same number as Rodgers since entering the league in 2015. “He is like Lamar Jackson to me,” a secondary coach said. “The guy could be good if they have a really good defense and they run the ball. If one of those components is not there and he has to start throwing the ball, he can’t.” Another defensive coach also questioned Mariota’s passing ability. “I don’t think he is confident, and he doesn’t make the tight throws,” this coach said. “Against guys like him, I tell my guys, ‘If we make them drive the length of the field, they’ll f— it up. Just make him go the whole way.’” Other defensive coaches respected Mariota’s dual-threat ability and said if they’re going to face a midtier quarterback, they’d prefer to face one without Mariota’s running ability. “I feel like he can open up the game at any time,” a defensive coordinator said. “I still respect his ability to run. He has been hurt, and that might drop him down a little, but he can break away at any time. You change your whole game plan when you face those guys.” Edited July 22, 2019 by BudAdams Justafan, Titans279, Starkiller, and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted July 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 You see these defensive coaches saying he CAN’T pass the ball. Welcome aboard GMs and defensive coaches tgo, rns90, TNTitans, and 11 others 7 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) Wow. Even I'm surprised it was that harsh. They didn't sugarcoat. Edited July 22, 2019 by big2033 Justafan, TeamBass, C_Train, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FRT Posted July 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 (edited) MM has 4 preseason and 16 games to show JRob and AAS he is the answer. Wow what an opportunity! Few get that opportunity in their chosen career. All else is noise on either side. Edited July 22, 2019 by FRT wtenn, Justafan, No1TitansFan, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Oof, that's devastating. No way around it. woolfolksunclesuncle, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRT Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Soxcat said: Wow, I guess we should all shut up Nah just you woolfolksunclesuncle, Justafan, OILERMAN, and 1 other 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 It’s pretty harsh. A large dose of reality for many. It does seem less harsh than the extreme anti-Mariota takes though. It says if he didn’t have injury problems he’d be a legit starter. Not great, but good enough to win with if you put him in a good situation. Obviously his ability so far is still a huge disappointment for a #2 pick but sans availability concerns he’d probably be the guy going forward. Overall my expectation is still that we’ll be QB shopping next spring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 They were really complimentary of him after his rookie year. One guy said that he would have been a tier 1 QB on a better team, another said he'd be a top 5 QB within a few years. Now he's trash and can't throw. Justafan, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap24786 Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I don't understand why these people are saying Mariota can't throw in tight windows when he's forced to throw in tight windows in almost every passing down. So clearly he can. We'll see what happens, but I maintain Mariota is a good QB. He can make all the requisite throws. I've seen him throw with anticipation countless times. He's just had one of the worst receiving cores in the league his whole career. Not to mention the vastly inconsistent running game and OL play. He's also had no consistency in offense, so he hasn't been able to establish trust with the offense and receivers around him. Another huge issue is that he's constantly banged up (this is more on him) which also impacts his ability. I'm optimistic on the team this year. I think JRob has given Mariota a very fair shot here with drafting AJ Brown and bringing in Humphries, a slot player that Mariota has never had. CD84, Brown, Humphries, Walker, Jonnu, Sharpe, Taylor is finally a real receiving corps. titanruss, and Come on Titans 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 ouch.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, ap24786 said: I don't understand why these people are saying Mariota can't throw in tight windows when he's forced to throw in tight windows in almost every passing down. So clearly he can. We'll see what happens, but I maintain Mariota is a good QB. He can make all the requisite throws. I've seen him throw with anticipation countless times. He's just had one of the worst receiving cores in the league his whole career. Not to mention the vastly inconsistent running game and OL play. He's also had no consistency in offense, so he hasn't been able to establish trust with the offense and receivers around him. Another huge issue is that he's constantly banged up (this is more on him) which also impacts his ability. I'm optimistic on the team this year. I think JRob has given Mariota a very fair shot here with drafting AJ Brown and bringing in Humphries, a slot player that Mariota has never had. CD84, Brown, Humphries, Walker, Jonnu, Sharpe, Taylor is finally a real receiving corps. You're right, 55 NFL coaches and executives are wrong. TeamBass, Number9, woolfolksunclesuncle, and 1 other 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 I'm more curious what retards voted Rodgers, Brady and Brees as tier 2 QBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRT Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, TitanLegend said: I'm more curious what retards voted Rodgers, Brady and Brees as tier 2 QBs. I'm guessing coaches and GMs from GB, NE and NO for motivation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted July 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, big2033 said: Wow. Even I'm surprised it was that harsh. They didn't sugarcoat. I’ve said it several times and wasn’t kidding, I’ve scrually been kind to him and he’s worse than I’ve said big2033, Starkiller, 9 Nines, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanLegend Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, FRT said: I'm guessing coaches and GMs from GB, NE and NO for motivation? Would hope that's the case, but I'd bet there's some real retards in the FOs and coaching staffs across the league that actually believe that. It's incredible how stupid you can be and still hold a job in an NFL FO/coaching staff. Plenty examples of that over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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