Where are you on Ward at this point?

[kgsTitan]

We'll know by this time next year but I think what we've seen is bare minimum of what you'd want to see from a new franchise QB. Definitely not above that. 

Some wow throws here and there, to be sure, but that's not enough and should be a given for a #1 pick. I didn't want to draft him, and don't regret that position, but even I thought we'd see more than we have so far.

 

I would also go out on a limb and say he's going to have fumbling problems and batted balls his whole career. That isn't going away. All you can do is get better guys to protect and better weapons, and hope for the best.

 

Of course there's still confidence and optimism for someone in only their 11th game. He's made some really good plays, has a good attitude, and literally no one's ever been given up on in their first season playing far, far worse than he is.  He won't even be loudly booed until 3-4 games into next season.

Edited Tuesday at 08:15 PM by kgsTitan

[TheChosenTitan]

Ask me this after year 2

[TheChosenTitan]

https://x.com/thezachlyons/status/1990853701704032310?s=46&t=BXOuo627AXnnsLAwTRGy7g

[Thrill]

He’s shown a hell of a lot more than Darnold, Daniel Jones, Caleb Williams, etc had showed at this point in their careers. I don’t think Caleb had his “breakout game” until late last season, and he had way better weapons. 

[Nash]

The Titans are just now starting to play the way I expected them to play in September.. They are starting to look like a lower third team, not yet, but starting at least..

[Somedude]

This is one of the worst teams the NFL has seen in 20 years. One fluke away from likley going 0-17. Cam was thrown into a no win situation in every sense. No rookie QB would thrive in this. The fact Cam has not drowned while floating in a river of shit gives me hope.

[AvgJoe]

100% and I remain all-in. He could not have had a worse coaching and supporting system situation and he’s still showing flashes with Chig Okonkwo and Mason Kinsey as relied upon weapons. 
 

Give me a legit HC/OC and a full offseason with a WR sprinkled in and he will be fine. I watched him play with Restrepo, Jacolby George, and Isaiah Horton as his main weapons. None are elite. But his OC had a brain and those “weapons” stayed healthy all year. 
 

Franchise QB. No doubt 

[Callidus]

32 minutes ago, Somedude said:

This is one of the worst teams the NFL has seen in 20 years. One fluke away from likley going 0-17. Cam was thrown into a no win situation in every sense. No rookie QB would thrive in this. The fact Cam has not drowned while floating in a river of shit gives me hope.

Shit is more dense than water, should be pretty easy to float. 

Edited Tuesday at 10:03 PM by Callidus

[Hyperion]

59 minutes ago, AvgJoe said:

100% and I remain all-in. He could not have had a worse coaching and supporting system situation and he’s still showing flashes with Chig Okonkwo and Mason Kinsey as relied upon weapons. 
 

Give me a legit HC/OC and a full offseason with a WR sprinkled in and he will be fine. I watched him play with Restrepo, Jacolby George, and Isaiah Horton as his main weapons. None are elite. But his OC had a brain and those “weapons” stayed healthy all year. 
 

Franchise QB. No doubt 

Yep. This is exactly where I'm at. 

[Somedude]

3 hours ago, Callidus said:

Shit is more dense than water, should be pretty easy to float. 

Sewers are a river of shit and flow like water & Football pads are heavy.

Edited yesterday at 01:15 AM by Somedude

[Callidus]

19 minutes ago, Somedude said:

Sewers are a river of shit and flow like water & Football pads are heavy.

You can swim in plate armor. Padds would hardly be a problem. 

[OILERMAN]

Judging him completely on his own I thought he'd be better. He's left too many plays on the field when the play was there. He's played too fast and rushed things. He's bailed the pocket and created his own pressure. As bad as the supporting cast has been he's been equally bad too often. 

 

I do think he's improved the last month or so. 

 

He's clearly dedicated and will work to improve. Everything is also correctable. 

 

In his defense.....

 

You cannot be in a worse position as a rookie QB than he's been in. The coaching staff was a disaster and the roster make up is terrible. Callahan proved to be totally incompetent. They are a 3 WR team with terrible WRs. Lockett was washed and Ridley dropped too many passes and missed a ton of time. They have two pass catching TEs who can't block well and Pollard is washed. They have the 32nd ranked run offense. 

 

Cam Ward has also possibly faced the toughest defensive opponents a rookie QB has ever faced. 

 

He's played 5 games against the top 5 pass defenses(Texans, Chargers, Denver and Rams) in the league. The Texans are #1 and he's faced them twice and the Chargers are #2. Seattle is up this week at #7 and the Jags are #8 and the Colts are #9(twice). 

 

That's a murders row. Darnold is having an MVP type season and played the Texans and Rams and posted 73 and 45 passer ratings. 

 

No QB in the league would be having a good season in this situation.

 

Give him a good coach in a more QB friendly offense and improve the supporting cast. If he plays poorly next year it's time to worry. 

[Somedude]

20 minutes ago, Callidus said:

You can swim in plate armor. Padds would hardly be a problem. 

Take the stick out of your ass

[Callidus]

4 minutes ago, Somedude said:

Take the stick out of your ass

Are you getting mad over swiming im shit jokes?

[titanruss]

45 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

Cam Ward has also possibly faced the toughest defensive opponents a rookie QB has ever faced. 

 

 

I'd been thinking this for a while. Has a rookie QB starter ever had the most difficult SOS? This is probably getting close to a record for both defensive ranks and SOS for a 1st year rookie starter.