Derrick Henry is still an elite back.

[Mythos27]

6 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

 

I mean, factually, this is simply incorrect.

 

As I already stated, he had an almost 60% success rate rushing the ball. That's really high and it's one of the reasons why he had a ton of carries whereas Davis barely had any, which is one of the reasons why Davis had a pace of 800 or 900 yd rushing if he had played all season. And on top of that Christian McCaffrey was catching a ton of passes with a really good yards per catch rate. 

 

Davis didn't even touch the ball enough to begin replacing Christian McCaffrey. On premise alone it fails, let alone how well each one was doing with the touches they got.

 

This is one of those times where you are looking solely at yards per carry and nothing else and it renders your overall point simply inaccurate.

I'm looking mainly at the impact that losing McCaffrey had on that team as a whole. There wasn't really much of one. They were bad with or without McCcafrey in Carolina. They are good with or without McCcafrey in San Fran. A change in RB didn't cause the team to become notably worse which is the point. We see things like this all the time too. 

Edited October 22, 2024 by Mythos27

[OILERMAN]

OK, I have to finally concede and eat crow. It's undeniable and there is no reason to wait any longer.

 

I was 100% wrong about Lamar Jackson. He's the best QB in the league right now and he's playing at a level I did not think he was capable of. He is in total command of the Ravens offense and he's become a great passer. He's passing the ball better than I ever could have imagined he was capable.  

 

Lamar is playing way better than either MVP season and barring injury will easily win a 3rd MVP. 

 

Jackson has a 118 passer rating and averaging 9.1 yds per pass and is on pace for 36 TDs 5 INTs and 4400 passing yards, as well as over 1000 yards rushing. He's capable of breaking away on a passing play or be used as the primary runner. 

 

It's not a knock on Tomato Can but when I went to sleep they had really not even used Tomato Can. He had barely been on the field and Lamar had the Ravens with a 17 point lead. It's not that Tomato Can had been bad, he just wasn't a factor. I saw the box score this morning and was surprised at Tomato Can's numbers until I saw the 81 yard run through the wide open perfectly blocked hole. The Ravens are the perfect spot for Tomato Can to pile up the yards along for the ride and possibly contend. 

 

Anyway, I'm a big enough man to admit I was wrong about Lamar

 

 

[Bongo59]

8 hours ago, AutumnThunder said:

Imagine Henry breaking the record, winning the SB, and retiring as a Raven after a few more years...

Imagine Henry becoming the all time leadering rusher in NFL history because I think it is going to happen

[Jamalisms]

2 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

I'm looking mainly at the impact that losing McCaffrey had on that team as a whole. There wasn't really much of one. They were bad with or without McCcafrey in Carolina. They are good with or without McCcafrey in San Fran. A change in RB didn't cause the team to become notably worse which is the point. We see things like this all the time too. 

 

I'll help: 

 

"I was wrong that Davis replaced Mccafrey just fine. He didn't and it was a big drop off.  However, it's worth restating that even a lower contribution from the running back position isn't generally going to have such an impact that a team is significantly better or worse based on that one change alone and examples prove pretty much useless when there's a quarterback change or a bunch of wide receiver injuries at the same time."

[FreakofLegend]

Henry is a future hall of famer.  He's doing it past the dreaded age of 30 which in itself is impressive. /end thread

[Mythos27]

10 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

 

I'll help: 

 

"I was wrong that Davis replaced Mccafrey just fine. He didn't and it was a big drop off.  However, it's worth restating that even a lower contribution from the running back position isn't generally going to have such an impact that a team is significantly better or worse based on that one change alone and examples prove pretty much useless when there's a quarterback change or a bunch of wide receiver injuries at the same time."

I appreciate the attempt but I just disagree that it was some huge drop off. McCaffrey just wasn't producing very well even before injury for Davis's production to be a big drop off. Your take is reasonable enough though. Not really worth a long argument IMO.

[Jamalisms]

You're welcome to disagree with the facts and the stats. It's a weird choice but I see no reason to repeat the significant differences three times. Twice was enough.

[GOAT9]

DH has a 200 yard lead on the next closest back. He could take 2 weeks off before anybody could catch up to him.

[titanruss]

12 hours ago, AutumnThunder said:

Imagine Henry breaking the record, winning the SB, and retiring as a Raven after a few more years...

They don't do that anymore. Yet unjust retire. Teams honor you. The HOF honors you. You don't go into the hall as a specific team. 

[titanruss]

3 hours ago, Divine said:

Henry is a future hall of famer.  He's doing it past the dreaded age of 30 which in itself is impressive. /end thread

26 for a RB

[CreepingDeath]

JK Dobbins was 14 for 40 at 2.9 with 0 TDs and an L.

 

Someone mentioned how great he was doing in Balt and started the season with LAC.  

 

I didn't watch the game, so I don't know if how many of those attempts were for 1st downs or other key plays that are overlooked.  

[Mythos27]

41 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said:

JK Dobbins was 14 for 40 at 2.9 with 0 TDs and an L.

 

Someone mentioned how great he was doing in Balt and started the season with LAC.  

 

I didn't watch the game, so I don't know if how many of those attempts were for 1st downs or other key plays that are overlooked.  

Dobbins is a talented back. His problem is health. Dude is made of cotton candy. I haven't watched the Chargers much but on paper, that OL is elite. I'll have to catch a game and see if it plays as well as it's talent would suggest. 

[Number9]

14 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Btw, I don't really care that people point out that Henry is getting huge gains on well blocked plays. What bugs me is the insinuation that this is somehow unique to Henry. The overwhelming majority of big runs like that in the NFL happen because the OL made a great hole and the back went untouched untill the second level. When backs are contacted before the second level these type of runs rarely happen. It just stands out for Henry more because he's able to turn what would be doubles or triple for other backs into home runs. That's why the OL is so important.

I'm telling you they can't see the game.  All you have to do is go look at what they were saying about Mariota.  They grew up on Madden.  You think @oldschool ever played football, a pickup game without a helmet?  He was probably scared to watch it.

 

He can read.  That's about it.

[Number9]

13 hours ago, Stevenths78 said:

Preach man! Without Henry this damn franchise doesn’t have a single playoff win this last decade. The disrespect to him by Titans fans has been nothing short of insane. Henry is the best player to ever wear a Titans Jersey for multiple years. No one is even a close second. 

Right.

Edited October 22, 2024 by Number9

[BTiger3733]

Every highlight hurts