Popular Post titansfan Posted November 11, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 The King is still the King and may be an anomaly of a player in terms of sustainability. It is Him and McCaffrey and no one else actually. I've observed his play and commented that he's become GREAT at pass protection (a one time weakness of his). He's also become a very reliable pass outlet to the point that the team should probably look to keep him on the field more in 3rd and manageable. It appears that PFF agrees as they recently named him as there mid-season top RB. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2023/11/09/titans-derrick-henry-pff-midseason-all-pro/?taid=654d6475ef136a00014c2947&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter 5th currently in rushing. Averaging 4.4ypc. 2nd in run blocking grade according to PFF. 2nd in RB receiving grade according to PFF. I understand the tide here in this site has shifted on Henry. And many people have become echoers and subcombed to mob way of thought, but fact is Henry is very much STILL Tennessee's best and most reliable player. He's improved and become the player many have requested he become. I'm not sure what happens after this season. I do think there is a bigger chance he re-signs than what most here here believe. Regardless, we have to enjoy what may be his final games as a Titan-- which is in a season where he very possibly could finish as the NFL Rushing Leader and overall RB#1. XAEA12, titantim, Number9, and 4 others 4 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 Henry is a great player. He hasn't declined to scrub status ala EG, but it's silly to look at a guy who dropped from 5.4 YPC to 4.4 YPC, whose average yards per game has dropped from 102 to 75, who has 9 BTKs (on pace for 18-20) down from 34, and pretend like the guy hasn't declined. He's still great, but he's no longer the king. We've seen him get taken down this year on plays that would have been house calls in the past. He's gotten better at pass protection, and it's also true that he's probably the best pure RB in the league. However, there are many teams with a better RBBC with more explosive playmakers who are more dangerous and cheaper. Oddly, Henry hasn't been the same since 2020, when Tannehill put up elite numbers. DrFlamehead, Thrill, LongTimeFan, and 1 other 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManningEnvy Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 Hey BANG BANG, what college did your fruitcase tard ass graduate from first this morning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 The obvious conclusion is having an "elite back" doesn't help an NFL offense? 16 points vs the Steelers and on 3 of the long TDs Henry wasn't on the field. This team needs to start using Spears way more, he's averaging 5.8 yards per carry in the last 5. The offense needs play makers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted November 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 The offense needs more playmaker. It's best offensive weapon is and has been Henry. Mythos27, Number9, and DrFlamehead 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The obvious conclusion is having an "elite back" doesn't help an NFL offense? 16 points vs the Steelers and on 3 of the long TDs Henry wasn't on the field. This team needs to start using Spears way more, he's averaging 5.8 yards per carry in the last 5. The offense needs play makers How's he on catching those wheel routes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 Free agency will show Henry's worth around the league after the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbtack Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 25 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The obvious conclusion is having an "elite back" doesn't help an NFL offense? 16 points vs the Steelers and on 3 of the long TDs Henry wasn't on the field. This team needs to start using Spears way more, he's averaging 5.8 yards per carry in the last 5. The offense needs play makers Do you think Spears YPC is sustainable given the limited nature of his carries? His one big run per game as skewed this number some. I think Spears is the more dynamic back still. charleytolar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Thumbtack said: Do you think Spears YPC is sustainable given the limited nature of his carries? His one big run per game as skewed this number some. I think Spears is the more dynamic back still. What long run? His long run is 23 yards. He has 6 explosive runs on only 39 carries and no really long runs to inflate his 5.5 yards per carry average. He has a 10+ yard run(explosive) in all but 2 games this season. Aside from the trick play(wildcat fake end around) Henry has 2 explosive runs over 20 yards just like Spears on 100 more carries. Henry averages 5.4 yards on 1st down thanks to that 63 yard run. Spears has a 6.6 yards per carry on 1st down on 21 carries with only a 19 yard long run, That's not "inflating" his average. If you don't see with your own eyes Spears is superior then your blind, the numbers also clearly bear this out. Not only should the Titans not be running so much on 1st down, they should be doing it with Spears over Henry when they do it. Spears likely can't handle the workload Henry does but he most certainly should be the featured RB Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeater Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 Nothing against DH, but the NFL decided to go the way of the forward pass and the rules they have made make it easier for the offense to score points by throwing the ball down the field. They have devalued the RB position on purpose. Having an “elite” rb, by whatever your definition of that is, is not as important as it once was. DH was a unicorn when he could break long runs consistently, but now that he’s lost a step his carries need to go way down. The offense needs to go the way of protect the qb, accurate throws, fast receivers, big te with hands, and speedy backs that can pass protect and catch the ball. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbtack Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: What long run? His long run is 23 yards. He has 6 explosive runs on only 39 carries and no really long runs to inflate his 5.5 yards per carry average. He has a 10+ yard run(explosive) in all but 2 games this season. Aside from the trick play(wildcat fake end around) Henry has 2 explosive runs over 20 yards just like Spears on 100 more carries. Henry averages 5.4 yards on 1st down thanks to that 63 yard run. Spears has a 6.6 yards per carry on 1st down on 21 carries with only a 19 yard long run, That's not "inflating" his average. If you don't see with your own eyes Spears is superior then your blind, the numbers also clearly bear this out. Not only should the Titans not be running so much on 1st down, they should be doing it with Spears over Henry when they do it. Spears likely can't handle the workload Henry does but he most certainly should be the featured RB Take the emotion out of this. I asked you about Spears not a analysis of Henry vs Spears. You take away each run of Spears over 10 yards. (6 carries) He is averaging around 3.3 YPC. So I'll reiterate the question do you think Spears will sustain the YPC if given a larger workload. Edited November 11, 2023 by Thumbtack charleytolar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titansfan Posted November 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 I do not trust Spears as an every down back. Number9, and OILERMAN 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Thumbtack said: Take the emotion out of this. I posted data and math, not emotion. Spears has consistently made explosive runs in 6 of 8 games with a small sample size. He's an explosive RB who can create on his own. Yes I think he can sustain a high yards per carry with an increased workload. And LOL @ taking away his 6 longest runs out of 39 carries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbtack Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I posted data and math, not emotion. Spears has consistently made explosive runs in 6 of 8 games with a small sample size. He's an explosive RB who can create on his own. Yes I think he can sustain a high yards per carry with an increased workload. And LOL @ taking away his 6 longest runs out of 39 carries I'm not taking anything anyway from Spears. I simple asked you a question that for some reason your fist shaking over. Volumn has a tendency to paint a better picture. Which is why I asked do you think he'll maintain it. Tony Pollard is a perfect example of this right now. Edited November 11, 2023 by Thumbtack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 11, 2023 Report Share Posted November 11, 2023 I really, really hate the "take away the big run" argument. The ability to make these big runs is what makes these guys special and EVERY back in the league's ypc is "skewed" by big runs. It's why YPC on it's own is a borderline bullshit stat. Unless a guy is consistently too low on ypc (under 4.0) or consistently crazy high (5.0) it's really not even worth mentioning. When we talk about how good a player is, too many start throwing around stats instead of talking about skill-sets and ability level. Both Spears and Henry are VERY gifted backs, with awesome but different skill sets. They're both huge assets to the team. One is just way more proven than the other. That's it. Don't fall into the trap of constantly comparing them against each other; it leads nowhere good. IsntLifeFunny, LongTimeFan, and Thrill 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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