Derrick Henry is still an elite back.

[Thumbtack]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I really, really hate the "take away the big run" argument. The ability to make these big runs is what makes these guys special and EVERY back in the league's ypc is "skewed" by big runs. It's why YPC on it's own is a borderline bullshit stat. Unless a guy is consistently too low on ypc (under 4.0) or consistently crazy high (5.0) it's really not even worth mentioning. When we talk about how good a player is, too many start throwing around stats instead of talking about skill-sets and ability level. Both Spears and Henry are VERY gifted backs, with awesome but different skill sets. They're both huge assets to the team. One is just way more proven than the other. That's it. Don't fall into the trap of constantly comparing them against each other; it leads nowhere good. 

 

Really not trying to discredit Spears. Because he is a huge asset

 

 

Just asking a question on opinion of sustainability. Pollard was a 5.5 YPC in his limited capacity, and is not averaging 4.0 YPC as the full-time starter.

 

 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, Thumbtack said:

 

I'm not taking anything anyway from Spears. I simple asked you a question that for some reason your fist shaking over.

 

Volumn has a tendency to paint a better picture. Which is why I asked do you think he'll maintain it. Tony Pollard is a perfect example of this right now.

The plain answer is no, it's unlikely he maintains. Before last game, his ypc over 7 games was 6.0. It now sits at 5.5. The highest career ypc in history is Jamaal Charles at 5.4 ypc. So, either Spears is the most efficient back in the history of football OR he's benefitting from low volume carries, in very optimal situations (teams think we're passing). He was over 8.0 ypc in 3 of those games, that's certainly anomalous. I lean on the side of the latter. That said, Spears is very, very good and if he has a smooth career (no injuries, steady volume, etc) I can definitely seem him having a higher career ypc than Henry. Not sure he reaches Henry's heights but he should have a good career unless disaster strikes. 

[Mythos27]

Just now, Thumbtack said:

 

Really not trying to discredit Spears. Because he is a huge asset

 

 

Just asking a question on opinion of sustainability. Pollard was a 5.5 YPC in his limited capacity, and is not averaging 4.0 YPC as the full-time starter.

 

 

I know. I just gave you a quick answer even though you weren't asking me lol. I just took the opportunity to express my loathing for that argument. 

[Thumbtack]

3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I know. I just gave you a quick answer even though you weren't asking me lol. I just took the opportunity to express my loathing for that argument. 

 

I'm curious to see what the future arguments are going to be when two players are off the the team

[titansfan]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

Free agency will show Henry's worth around the league after the season

 

I dont think that's the proper way to assess. We already know that the league doesn't value older free agent backs. And we know most teams are not run centric-- which is where Henry's best value lies.

[titansfan]

19 minutes ago, Thumbtack said:

 

Really not trying to discredit Spears. Because he is a huge asset

 

 

Just asking a question on opinion of sustainability. Pollard was a 5.5 YPC in his limited capacity, and is not averaging 4.0 YPC as the full-time starter.

 

 

 

That's the part I hate too. I feel like so many want to make this a Spears vs Henry discussion and it forces those who can see that Henry is a top producing back to demonstrate why he should still be featured and featured over Spears.

 

Spears is a playmaker, a much needed playmaker on a team lacking them. We should find ways to get him the ball too. 

Edited November 11 by titansfan

[Mythos27]

10 minutes ago, Thumbtack said:

 

I'm curious to see what the future arguments are going to be when two players are off the the team

I don't know what they'll be but given the accept level of RB discourse around here, I'm sure it will be bad and self-serving. Pitting two good players on your team against each other is fucking poison. Been saying that for years. 

[Thumbtack]

6 minutes ago, titansfan said:

 

That's the part I hate too. I feel like so many want to make this a Spears vs Henry discussion and it forces those who can see that Henry is a top producing back to demonstrate why he should still be featured and featured over Spears.

 

It's all agenda driven to counter the small group of posters/fans that didnt give enough credit to Tannehill even though that's a small minority. 

 

 

[OILERMAN]

I can definitely see Henry fans not wanting a Henry vs Spears debate. It's also beyond hilarious that in a Henry is elite thread someone would dare mention taking out the long runs.

 

The debate is no different than who should start at LT. Put the best players in the best role. Spears is the best RB on the team

[Bongo59]

Having two elite RB and a horrible OL and rookie QB = why TN is who they are

[TitanPoke]

I truly wonder how much the oline play has factored into Henry's "decline". I keep waiting for him to fall off a cliff but it just isn't happening yet. He's being paid like a top 5 back and he's performing like one. The criticism of Henry over the last couple of years I think is a bit unwarranted and is easily skewed by the fact that we as a fanbase are tired of watching this coaching staff run on first and second down.

[Bongo59]

Hery has been harmed by the GMs

[titansfan]

7 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I can definitely see Henry fans not wanting a Henry vs Spears debate. It's also beyond hilarious that in a Henry is elite thread someone would dare mention taking out the long runs.

 

The debate is no different than who should start at LT. Put the best players in the best role. Spears is the best RB on the team

 

 

I highly disagree and really nothing backs your claim. You just see Henry as the last battleground in all the debates you've had and lost in the past year.

[titanruss]

Henry's average will only get better from here on out. Tampa is a tough run D but with QB that can open up the defense, the. Henry will feast. 
 

 

[Thumbtack]

He just wants to shake his fist every chance he gets because he can't stand the attention Henry got over the years.

 

I don't think anyone would argue that Spears brings a dynamic element to this offense. It's the unwarranted claims he wants to make is what are laughable because he's angry on the inside.