SleepingTitan Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 18 hours ago, OILERMAN said: This is absolutely ridiculous. The floor? What's the ceiling? There's no way to project that. And listen, I'm not predicting this. I'm just saying that if Callahan wanted to turn him into a rhythm passer, the dude has the accuracy and processing to be that guy. He got wheels too. His awareness is not shit like Levis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 7 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Poor Mahomes hasn't even maintained that level of play the last few years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cshumak2 Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 (edited) 18 hours ago, AvgJoe said: It is very hard to label a floor, but if he hits, Cam is going to be Mahomes-esque. He elevates talent around him. I’ve said it before, the best WR he will ever have played with if we draft him is Ridley. I keep coming back to this too. Look back at the pff comments on Mahomes coming out and it could damn well be word for word used to describe Ward. Not saying Ward will ever be Mahomes, but I think Borgonzi will see enough he likes to pull the trigger 29. Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech Mahomes has an incredible feel for making plays outside of the flow of the offense, and when combined with his special arm talent, that allows him to make any throw from any platform—a best-case scenario for Mahomes is tantalizing. The problem is the same feel for making plays also leads to a number of poor decisions with the football, and a prospective team has to find the balance of keeping Mahomes’ aggressiveness and natural playmaking ability while harnessing him to make good decisions within the flow of the offense. — Steve Palazzolo, @PFF_Steve Edited February 14 by cshumak2 Starkiller, TeamRamrod, and ctm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 3 hours ago, cshumak2 said: I keep coming back to this too. Look back at the pff comments on Mahomes coming out and it could damn well be word for word used to describe Ward. Not saying Ward will ever be Mahomes, but I think Borgonzi will see enough he likes to pull the trigger 29. Patrick Mahomes II, QB, Texas Tech Mahomes has an incredible feel for making plays outside of the flow of the offense, and when combined with his special arm talent, that allows him to make any throw from any platform—a best-case scenario for Mahomes is tantalizing. The problem is the same feel for making plays also leads to a number of poor decisions with the football, and a prospective team has to find the balance of keeping Mahomes’ aggressiveness and natural playmaking ability while harnessing him to make good decisions within the flow of the offense. — Steve Palazzolo, @PFF_Steve Draft Ward now, draft Ward now, draft Ward now. Pragidealist, and Hyperion 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 6 hours ago, TeamRamrod said: I’m of the opinion they have to get a 1 in 2026 to move down. Even if they have to fall all the way back to 6 or 7. If you’re passing on a QB this year, you need at least some kind of ammo to move up next year. Agreed. And as much as I like Carter, I don't think his value is greater than the #3 overall pick + 2026 NYG 1st rounder (good chance that's a top 5 pick)+ extra picks. He's not a QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 13 minutes ago, 9 Nines said: Draft Ward now, draft Ward now, draft Ward now. Yes, draft Cam now... before we have to send 9s to the mental Ward. Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 Let's see how many middle fingers I can get with this bookend mock... titanskick8851, OILERMAN, Somedude, and 2 others 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 6 hours ago, TeamRamrod said: I’m of the opinion they have to get a 1 in 2026 to move down. Even if they have to fall all the way back to 6 or 7. If you’re passing on a QB this year, you need at least some kind of ammo to move up next year. Justin Graber had a breakdown of previous trades this century. Aside from the ridiculous SF trade for Trey Lance it's very hard to move down and get a future #1. Moving down will net you extra 2s and 3s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Justin Graber had a breakdown of previous trades this century. Aside from the ridiculous SF trade for Trey Lance it's very hard to move down and get a future #1. Moving down will net you extra 2s and 3s He’s just wrong. Lance Bryce Young Marcus Davenport Justin Fields Jaylen Waddle Mahomes. Goff obviously. Wentz. Sammy Watkins. Julio Jones. Deshaun Watson. Those are just off the top of my head. Edited February 15 by TeamRamrod Callidus, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 2 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: He’s just wrong. I could be framing it incorrectly. Basically for the Titans to get a future 1 they have to trade way down based on recent trades DCTitan, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 22 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I could be framing it incorrectly. Basically for the Titans to get a future 1 they have to trade way down based on recent trades You’re actually right. I took a look at the trades that @TeamRamrod mentioned . Most of them aren’t trades down for a few spots. The Waddle one MIA went from 12 to 6 is pretty close. Watkins is the other one as the Bills went from 9 to 4. But they are pretty much outliers . You’d have to go down to Raiders (rumored to sign Darnold), Jets (no 3rd rounder and Whatever gave up for Reddick) or Saints at #9. The rest of those involved moving down(or up 10 spots). Young trade involved 7 spots and that’s probably the most similar circumstance. But yeah , might want to pump the breaks on the trade return. There have been trades that you move down slightly that required giving up a future first round (Leaf 1998, RG3 2012) but those seem like outliers. The Sam Darnold trade up (6 to 3) in 2018 might be closer to what one can expect. oldschool, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 (edited) 43 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: He’s just wrong. Lance Bryce Young Marcus Davenport Justin Fields Jaylen Waddle Mahomes. Goff obviously. Wentz. Sammy Watkins. Julio Jones. Deshaun Watson. Those are just off the top of my head. That Sammy Watkins trade stands out as being particularly awful. Marcus Davenport didn't really pan out either, but I understand the logic better. Brees was nearing the end and the Saints had gotten so close to getting back to the SB. Repeated heartbreaking postseason losses and they thought Davenport would be the pass rusher to get them over the hump. Just didn't happen. Edited February 15 by socaltitan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 12 minutes ago, rns90 said: @TeamRamrod mentioned . Most of them aren’t trades down for a few spots. You’d have to go down to Raiders (rumored to sign Darnold), Jets (no 3rd rounder and Whatever gave up for Reddick) or Saints at #9. Yeah. That’s exactly why I said what I originally said rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 Will the Titans trade or keep the No. 1 pick? Trade the pick: Five votes Keep the pick: Three votes The overall feeling is the Titans will trade the top pick of the draft. The execs, coaches and scouts who voted that way believe the Titans lack true game-altering players and say none of the quarterbacks in this draft class can elevate the current supporting cast. So moving back with a QB-needy team for more picks could be the way to go for Tennessee. "The Titans' roster has a lot of holes," one AFC personnel executive said. "They need more than just a quarterback. I mean, who would Shedeur [Sanders] or Cam [Ward] throw to if they take them? They need help!" An NFC scout weighed in with a similar thought: "They can't put these rookies behind that offensive line and expect them to succeed. The Titans' protection was so bad their quarterbacks had no chance. They have to build the roster up before they add a quarterback." The Titans were 31st in QBR this past season (37.3), but to the evaluators' point, the rest of the team struggled around Will Levis and Mason Rudolph. Tennessee was 27th in pass block win rate (56.1%), 21st in run defense (4.5 yards allowed per carry), 25th in defensive pressure rate (29.0%) and tied for 30th in turnover margin (minus-16) en route to a 3-14 record. The Titans have made it known they're willing to entertain offers for the first pick. President of football operations Chad Brinker said he wants to acquire picks, especially in the top 100. Trading out of No. 1 is the best way to add more draft capital. "They want more picks, so I think they'd come off that first pick," an AFC scout said. "But it takes two to tango. Someone has to fall in love with one of these quarterbacks enough to give up a ransom to get to the top. I'd say it would take a pick swap no later than No. 7 overall and a [second-rounder] this year to go with a first-round and at least third-round pick next year." Not everyone feels that the Titans will trade the pick, though. "You don't want to find yourself making the first pick often," an AFC assistant coach said. "You have to make it count and get your quarterback. I think that's what the Titans will do. Keep the top pick and draft Cam Ward." -- Davenport https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/story/_/id/43809756/2025-nfl-draft-top-pick-prospects-quarterbacks-titans-trade-ward-sanders-carter-hunter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted February 15 Report Share Posted February 15 8 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: Yeah. That’s exactly why I said what I originally said So do you move down if you don’t get a future #1 but the draft picks you get kind of add up to like a first rounder in total? This is assuming that they don’t love any of the qbs enough to take them at #1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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