japan Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ctm said: Does anyone seriously think that if AAS had waited till year end to fire JRob that his supporters wouldn't have found some other reason to question her decision? At least it would have looked well reasoned and level headed to the rest of the league…you know, the people she’s trying to get ‘a jump on’ interviewing for the job… Edited December 16, 2022 by japan TerryBoats 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Titans279 Posted December 16, 2022 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) So I support the firing but I do think that the way it's happened isn't ideal. I've been talking about how JRob and Vrabel have failed to go from good to great for a while, so I'm no JRob stan. He built "the best team in the worst division in football." I do think the unorthodox nature of the firing and how it appears to be an emotional reaction to AJ Brown torching them makes her look bad. People are acting like this is not unusual now which I think is weird. Everyone was stunned that this happened. Don't act like this isn't abnormal. The super high expectations and appearance of erratic ownership will make this less attractive, but it's still 1/32 GM positions in the world. It's not like it's unattractive. However, I know at least a couple GM candidates were not willing to accept the position when JRob was hired due to the stipulation that they had to retain Mularkey. There are probably some people who will not want to accept a job here due to how it appears this played out unless it's revealed JRob did something that people generally view as a fireable offense. Edited December 16, 2022 by Titans279 Number9, IsntLifeFunny, StephenIsLegend, and 4 others 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, japan said: At least it would have looked well reasoned and level headed to the rest of the league…you know, the people she’s trying to get ‘a jump on’ interviewing for the job… Identifying the candidate list ahead of other teams and more importantly removing someone she no longer had faith in from the decision process to run her team's Football Operations are two very legitimate reasons to pull the trigger in season. charleytolar, and titanskick8851 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Titans279 said: So I support the firing but I do think that the way it's happened isn't ideal. I've been talking about how JRob and Vrabel have failed to go from good to great for a while, so I'm no JRob stan. He built "the best team in the worst division in football." I do think the unorthodox nature of the firing and how it appears to be an emotional reaction to AJ Brown torching them makes her look bad. People are acting like this is not unusual now which I think is weird. Everyone was stunned that this happened. Don't act like this isn't abnormal. The super high expectations and appearance of erratic ownership will make this less attractive, but it's still 1/32 GM positions in the world. It's not like it's unattractive. However, I know at least a couple GM candidates were not willing to accept the position when JRob was hired due to the stipulation that they had to retain Mularkey. There are probably some people who will not want to accept a job here due to how it appears this played out unless it's revealed JRob did something that people generally view as a fireable offense. Nobody defending the move and timing of it are not saying it's normal. That being said, it DOES make sense if you consider the work being done behind the scenes putting together a preliminary draft board and FA target list. It's probably not coincidental that the biggest trainwreck position group on the team is also the position group the GM was horrible at addressing. Now I'd agree that the biggest obstacle an outside hire is going to look at from the Titans side is that the HC is already in place and under contract for years. Of course, Vrabel is well regarded in the NFL so that may be a selling point. That said, no GM hire is coming in here with the level of responsibility Robinson got in 2017 as the EVP of Football Operations and coach hire/fire ability. To me, it's pretty clear that the Vrabel and the GM will be separate but equal like Robinson originally was when hired. IMO it will end up being Cowden with Vrabel getting a VP title too. Justafan, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: Nobody defending the move and timing of it are not saying it's normal. That being said, it DOES make sense if you consider the work being done behind the scenes putting together a preliminary draft board and FA target list. It's probably not coincidental that the biggest trainwreck position group on the team is also the position group the GM was horrible at addressing. Now I'd agree that the biggest obstacle an outside hire is going to look at from the Titans side is that the HC is already in place and under contract for years. Of course, Vrabel is well regarded in the NFL so that may be a selling point. That said, no GM hire is coming in here with the level of responsibility Robinson got in 2017 as the EVP of Football Operations and coach hire/fire ability. To me, it's pretty clear that the Vrabel and the GM will be separate but equal like Robinson originally was when hired. IMO it will end up being Cowden with Vrabel getting a VP title too. I gotta laugh about the leg up is we get to make this ‘list’ for the remaining 3 weeks… Good point about the outside candidates being leery of not being able to pick the coach. Vrabel is well respected but also know to be pretty head strong and abrasive which aren’t necessarily great traits for getting guys on ‘the list…’ Seems like it’s a guarantee to be an inside hire. Edited December 16, 2022 by japan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 hours ago, TerryBoats said: Right, Robinson is just like Isaiah Wilson. Brilliant! No, I think it is Strunk recognizing her Jon Robinson tendencies and correcting them before they get up an even bigger head of steam. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 They just talked up Seattle's Bookend Tackles. Both rookies. I taking book on which one does a career change to rapper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 If Cowden gets the job and the infrastructure stays as is then it's really fishy Justafan, Downtown, japan, and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AussieTitanFan08 Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: If Cowden gets the job and the infrastructure stays as is then it's really fishy This is from Cowden's job description on the teams official website. "Cowden oversees all areas of the scouting department, both college and pro, including advance scouting, free agency preparation, and evaluation of players in the NFL and all other professional leagues. In addition, he assists with college scouting and preparation for the NFL Draft." I don't know how anyone can look at the recent record of FA acquisitions and come to the conclusion the guy who is responsible for Free Agency Preparation and suggest he should be the one promoted to be the new GM. While JRob obviously had final say on roster composition its naive to suggest Cowden didn't play a significant role in preparing the short list of FA targets. The last thing this franchise needs is another sham hiring process that is just a precursor to a desired outcome. Justafan, VaTitan, DCTitan, and 4 others 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 hours ago, japan said: Oh I definitely defend his record. I've cited his streak of 6 or 7 straight winning seasons ad nauseum. Maybe you've been away... In regards to this fiasco, it's pretty clear they see what they want to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) On 12/13/2022 at 7:58 PM, Mythos27 said: Careful. His next step will be to pretend that he actually never said any of that despite available evidence to the contrary. careful, your next step will be to make up baseless shit that's never happened. Edited December 16, 2022 by titanruss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Number9 said: They just talked up Seattle's Bookend Tackles. Both rookies. I taking book on which one does a career change to rapper. Seattle consistently fielded one of the worst OLs in the league under Schneider. They were hilariously bad in the draft and roster management and experienced moderate success due only to their aging vets and being in a bad division. They couldn't replenish the talent from the SB roster, and firing him for his inability to take this from a floundering WC team to a SB caliber one would have completely justified. There's a lesson to take from this and comparison to be made, and it will be interesting to see how the Titans' decision plays out vs. that of the Seahawks Edited December 16, 2022 by TerryBoats Number9, TNTitans, and DCTitan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 7 hours ago, titanruss said: careful, your next step will be to make up baseless shit that's never happened. Oh please everyone knows that's your go-to move when you're pinned down but can't admit it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Winning record? Barely. 2016 9-7 (Mularkey) 2017 9-7 (Vrabel installed) 2018 9-7 2019 9-7 2020 11-5 (breakout year from Tannehill) 2021 12-5 (a coaching miracle-- beat a few championship contenders: Bills, Chiefs, 49ers... and lose at home in playoffs) 2022 7-6 currently on the way to.... Yes, you can write a headline about an overall winning record but only with Tannehill and Henry does it rise above "barely." Factor in an overall weak division except for Indy early on and it's not as remarkable as it seems. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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