rns90 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: Why can’t anyone else in this draft be a superstar? Why do we act like Love is the only one? lol Obvious you and I are missing the nuance of this super generational RB . BeedoeLaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: Why can’t anyone else in this draft be a superstar? Why do we act like Love is the only one? lol Noone is saying anyone else can't be a superstar. Just that Love is the cleanest bet by all accounts. Why not take the surest thing. Not only that, if he is what his production in college, and physical traits suggest, he helps your franchise QB and team the most. Edited March 3 by BeedoeLaw Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Just now, rns90 said: If you’re actually talking about what actually happens it’s that teams that take a RB in the top 10 don’t usually reach the Super Bowl or a conference championship when that RB is actually on their team. But please keep on telling us how we need superstars. no.. what happens is that teams with superstars tend to win more games. Teams that don't have superstars tend to lose more and one RB superstar or even a top 3 DE won't change a team that lacks talent or direction as a whole. Carter did not suddenly make the Giants competitive either. Its not about the position. Its about the talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Just now, rns90 said: Obvious you and I are missing the nuance of this super generational RB . I am SO glad you're finally accepting this. ;-D. BeedoeLaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Just now, Pragidealist said: no.. what happens is that teams with superstars tend to win more games. Teams that don't have superstars tend to lose more and one RB superstar or even a top 3 DE won't change a team that lacks talent or direction as a whole. Carter did not suddenly make the Giants competitive either. Its not about the position. Its about the talent. How many superstars did the Seahawks have ? And can you name them? I mean all those teams that went out and spent and got all those superstars in FA and the draft clearly were the top level teams , right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRamrod Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 (edited) Apparently I need to spell this out. When I say “they’re not gonna take a running back at 4”, I’m not just basing that on my evaluation of the players and blanketing positional value. I’m basing it on the entire history of Borgonzi and Brinker. What they’ve said and what their teams have done. The Chiefs didn’t draft one earlier than the THIRD ROUND Borgonzi’s entire time there. The one time one of their teams drafted a running back in the first round (let alone top 10) that I can recall off the top of my head was CEH. And that was at the very end of the round, they did it for Mahomes, AND they regretted it! lol The packers have never drafted a running back in the first round at least as far back as when Ron Wolf got their in the early 90s. Could they go against everything they’ve ever said and done? Sure. It’s possible. And I’ve already acknowledged that. I’m just saying you guts are betting on an extreme outlier outcome lol Edited March 3 by TeamRamrod japan, and rns90 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, TeamRamrod said: Apparently I need to spell this out. When I say “they’re not gonna take a running back at 4”, I’m not just basing that on my evaluation of the players and blanketing positional value. I’m basing it on the entire history of Borgonzi and Brinker. What they’ve said and what their teams have done. The Chiefs didn’t draft one earlier than the THIRD ROUND Borgonzi’s entire time there. The one time one of their teams drafted a running back in the first round (let alone top 10) that I can recall off the top of my head was CEH. And that was at the very end of the round, they did it for Mahomes, AND they regretted it! lol The packers have never drafted a running back in the first round at least as far back as when Ron Wolf got their in the early 90s. Could they go against everything they’ve ever said and done? Sure. It’s possible. And I’ve already acknowledged that. I’m just saying you guts are betting on an extreme outlier outcome lol What you see for GB and KC are wait for it…lots of lineman in the first two rounds. These are also two of the most successful teams in the last 10 years or so. But these posters on TR know better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, rns90 said: How many superstars did the Seahawks have ? And can you name them? I mean all those teams that went out and spent and got all those superstars in FA and the draft clearly were the top level teams , right? Are you trying to say the Seahawks won a superbowl without superstar talent? lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 53 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said: It's possible that he is trying to drum up interest, but when he says that his main priority is to support his franchise QB, I tend to believe him. It just makes sense. Trading back and/or getting a premium edge rusher, which helps give the offense more opportunities to score, is a form of help. Drafting a WR (Tate, Cooper) helps. Drafting OL helps. Drafting a capable RB later also helps. I love how people just automatically assume that Love is the only RB in this class capable of having real success in the NFL. Would Love help Ward? Yes, but make no mistake: this is Cam Ward's team, not Love's. Cam would help Love more than Love would help Cam. And that same help Cam would give Love he'd also give Mike Washington, Jadarian Price, or Nick Singleton should we draft any of them. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Passing on Love isn't to say they don't think he could help the offense. It would be them saying they think there's better, more valuable ways to help the offense/team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Just now, NashvilleNinja said: Passing on Love isn't to say they don't think he could help the offense. It would be them saying they think there's better, more valuable ways to help the offense/team. They still need multiple pieces on both units . Just on offense : WR, TE and RB. Next year needs : RG and LT. You probably can’t solve all of them but the extra picks help, its also a good year at TE and WR. And there are needs at defense too. If you’re going BAP they could draft your guy at S with 35. Makes it an easy decision if you have extra picks at your disposal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 20 minutes ago, rns90 said: What you see for GB and KC are wait for it…lots of lineman in the first two rounds. These are also two of the most successful teams in the last 10 years or so. But these posters on TR know better. Umm in the last 5 years.. both KC and TN- have selected 6 linemen in the top 2 rounds over the last 5 years. To my point- its not position. Its getting the talent right. In the last 10 years KC have selected 9 and TN 11. Maybe.. its not about getting a certain position in a certain round but that you miss less and get the talent eval right more. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 23 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said: This would be ideal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: Trading back and/or getting a premium edge rusher, which helps give the offense more opportunities to score, is a form of help. Drafting a WR (Tate, Cooper) helps. Drafting OL helps. Drafting a capable RB later also helps. I love how people just automatically assume that Love is the only RB in this class capable of having real success in the NFL. Would Love help Ward? Yes, but make no mistake: this is Cam Ward's team, not Love's. Cam would help Love more than Love would help Cam. And that same help Cam would give Love he'd also give Mike Washington, Jadarian Price, or Nick Singleton should we draft any of them. Sure, there are several ways to skin a cat. I just don't agree that drafting Love at 4 is not a viable option like some posters seem to believe. I happen to believe it is the best option if they stay at 4. Pragidealist 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, rns90 said: They still need multiple pieces on both units . Just on offense : WR, TE and RB. Next year needs : RG and LT. You probably can’t solve all of them but the extra picks help, its also a good year at TE and WR. And there are needs at defense too. If you’re going BAP they could draft your guy at S with 35. Makes it an easy decision if you have extra picks at your disposal Lol I wish. I know teams rely more on film than the combine, but the combine just helped back up what was already there on film for him. I don't think he makes it to the 2nd round, especially if that shit with Downs and his ACL is real. DT may wind up going in the top 20 if Downs falls. But even if Downs goes early I bet he still goes somewhere in the 20s. I'd love to be wrong, but Borg may not even look to draft a safety until later in the draft so I'm not getting my hopes up. If we go edge in 1 I'm assuming we'll go receiver in the 2nd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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