Titans279 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 Just now, rns90 said: I still think there is some off field stuff with Robinson that we may never know. But there are a lot of assumptions by people here. And a lot of it is just because it doesn’t “look” good. It’s almost conspiracy theory ish to be honest. This is a pretty funny two sentence combo. Making inferences to defend an AAS decision is fine, but if you do it to criticize her you become a conspiracy theorist. IsntLifeFunny, Mythos27, Jamalisms, and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 8 minutes ago, TheBukafax said: This whole argument is dumb lol They didn’t hire a senior O assistant who was a perfect fill in as interim for nothing. They obviously discussed the option of letting BC go that off season and decided against it. They obviously knew there was a chance that they would fire him so they hired a contingency plan. They didn’t just scramble not knowing what to do and it just happened to be McCoy lol, The whole narrative being pushed since he was fired screams of manufactured rage bait. It was a good idea that everyone was on board with to fire him right up untill he was fired, now there are 9 different story lines no1 had any idea about that all came out within 48 hours that try and paint it in some terrible light. Either the franchise is 50 times more dysfunctional than anyone guessed and somehow still able to keep it all under wraps till they dont want to. Or there is some people stirring the pot for whatever reason suits them. TheBukafax, oldschool, TF_Titan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 1 minute ago, Titans279 said: This is a pretty funny two sentence combo. Making inferences to defend an AAS decision is fine, but if you do it to criticize her you become a conspiracy theorist. No eeyore, I’m complaining because people are assuming that she fired them after a specific game that people are coming to the conclusion that she canned them because of that game specifically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 I'm skeptical that firing Callahan now is going to make any difference. But recent history has shown that it likely will. Things are so bad that they had no choice but to give it a shot. Number9, and Face 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 2 minutes ago, Callidus said: The whole narrative being pushed since he was fired screams of manufactured rage bait. It was a good idea that everyone was on board with to fire him right up untill he was fired, now there are 9 different story lines no1 had any idea about that all came out within 48 hours that try and paint it in some terrible light. Either the franchise is 50 times more dysfunctional than anyone guessed and somehow still able to keep it all under wraps till they dont want to. Or there is some people stirring the pot for whatever reason suits them. It’s literally the same story. Guys are on thin ice and need to show progress . They don’t and get worse…and people are shocked that they get canned? Callidus, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Callidus said: The whole narrative being pushed since he was fired screams of manufactured rage bait. It was a good idea that everyone was on board with to fire him right up untill he was fired, now there are 9 different story lines no1 had any idea about that all came out within 48 hours that try and paint it in some terrible light. Either the franchise is 50 times more dysfunctional than anyone guessed and somehow still able to keep it all under wraps till they dont want to. Or there is some people stirring the pot for whatever reason suits them. There was a time gap between the announcement of his firing and the press conference. Somehow that proves the front office wasn't prepared because AAS was meddling and impulsive. That ignores the fact the front office likely had other details to take care of in the interim period, such as meeting with McCoy, adjusting his contract for head coaching duties and other changes. It was an inference drawn by PK and Buck to drive their narrative. Edited October 17, 2025 by ctm DCTitan, Callidus, and rns90 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 Any educated guesses on how many of the remaining 4 years of Borgonzi's deal he'll get to serve here? Because just based on patterns Brinker may not be here for the long haul. Does this year count as a mulligan for Borg? Does it count against him? Many thought last year was a mulligan for Callahan but we saw how long that extension lasted for him. How much runway does Borg have to get shit headed the right way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 1 minute ago, NashvilleNinja said: Any educated guesses on how many of the remaining 4 years of Borgonzi's deal he'll get to serve here? Because just based on patterns Brinker may not be here for the long haul. Does this year count as a mulligan for Borg? Does it count against him? Many thought last year was a mulligan for Callahan but we saw how long that extension lasted for him. How much runway does Borg have to get shit headed the right way? No idea. But Borgonzi has a huge job to upgrade all the roster holes and they are numerous. He also has a good amount of resources with draft picks (and more likely coming) and leading the league in cap space. Big job, but big resources. But I expect AAS has high expectations and standards. He needs significant improvement next year. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 22 minutes ago, oldschool said: You are dissecting a decision you know to have been the right one with the notion that how she arrived at it was wrong. Makes no sense. I'll ask again, aside from firing jrob midseason, which I agree was not a good look, what moves did she arrive at that were reactionary? she moved quickly to correct the Carthon and Callahan hires, thats exactly what you want in a leader/owner. I wish she would hire better people like everyone else but this conversation is silly on so many levels. I keep explaining it to you and you keep ignoring it so I'm not sure how else to phrase it. The impetus for firing Vrabel, Callahan, and J-Rob were all reactionary and rooted in her feeling embarrassed/slighted. I'm not explaining it more than I already have. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I keep explaining it to you and you keep ignoring it so I'm not sure how else to phrase it. The impetus for firing Vrabel, Callahan, and J-Rob were all reactionary and rooted in her feeling embarrassed/slighted. I'm not explaining it more than I already have. They all deserved it based on performance (Vrabel possible exception) as did Carthon. Knock her for poor hiring decisions in hindsight...OK. Firing decisions, not so much. Edited October 17, 2025 by ctm oldschool, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 7 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I keep explaining it to you and you keep ignoring it so I'm not sure how else to phrase it. The impetus for firing Vrabel, Callahan, and J-Rob were all reactionary and rooted in her feeling embarrassed/slighted. I'm not explaining it more than I already have. You’re making an assumption here. Vrabel forced himself out. Callahan knew he was in danger and still didn’t change. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 3 minutes ago, ctm said: They all deserved it as did Carthon. Knock her for poor hiring decisions in hindsight...OK. Firing decisions, not so much. This is not a discussion about whether or not these guys deserved to be fired. If that's all that matters to you then feel free to skip the conversation because no one is really arguing against that. Jamalisms, and DCTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 Just now, rns90 said: You’re making an assumption here. Vrabel forced himself out. Callahan knew he was in danger and still didn’t change. Yes, I am making an assumption I believe is reasonable based on patterns of behavior and how events have played out. When you and others say Vrabel forced himself out you're assuming as well by assigning intentions you have no way of knowing are accurate to behaviors you observed. Titans279, and oldschool 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I keep explaining it to you and you keep ignoring it so I'm not sure how else to phrase it. The impetus for firing Vrabel, Callahan, and J-Rob were all reactionary and rooted in her feeling embarrassed/slighted. I'm not explaining it more than I already have. They literally just ignore everything and bring it back to "it's not meddling" or "they deserved to be fired" so that's the end of the discussion for them. The problem is not firing Callahan. That should have happened after last year IMO (and many others thought so). It was pretty clear he had no idea what he was doing and he was highly likely to get fired this year. If your process is to retain a coach who after week 3 you essentially decide you want to fire, you should not have retained that coach. If anything she is often slow to realize she either should have fired (or at least not extended them), and then she fires them in a fit of pique. Watch the Titans win this week and they'll all say "AAS: FOOTBALL GENIUS" (but also ignore what they're implying about Brinker/Borganzi who didn't want to fire him lol). Jamalisms, DCTitan, oldschool, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 17, 2025 Report Share Posted October 17, 2025 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: This is not a discussion about whether or not these guys deserved to be fired. If that's all that matters to you then feel free to skip the conversation because no one is really arguing against that. She's not firing people when she realizes they deserve to be fired (except for maybe Ran), she's firing them when she feels they make her look bad. ou You are directly argueing here that the firings aren't due to performance. Hint: they make her and the team look bad because their performance wasn't worth a damn. It's the poor performance that initiates the firing. Edited October 17, 2025 by ctm Jamalisms, oldschool, and Kcroy420 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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