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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has seen his approval rating fall dramatically two weeks after announcing his 2024 presidential bid. According to online polling company Civiqs' dynamic approval rat

The number 1 issue is that republicans are going to nominate a criminal who has been convicted of sexual assault and massive business fraud.  With charges of attempting to overthrow the government and

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30 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Yeah, he's a weirdo. Conspiracy nutter too.  

 

The celebrity conspiracy theorists often tend to be the ones caught up in some whacko conspiracy or another, I've noticed.

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3 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The Republicans are legitimately as a pure amalgamation of like minded thinkers the largest group of dumb people on the planet. They have next to zero grasp of nuance and their leaders laugh at them. 

 

I'd like to push on this a bit.  Rather than outright dumb (I love the uneducated!! , lol) I think a lot of maga is just constantly stressed and fearful, constantly reactionary -- leading to tons of dissonance (bye bye accountability!), terrible judgement, and mental 'self-dealing'.  TONS.  They are constantly being outright lied to by their leadership and media bubbles, people they thought they could trust, or at least pretend to. The only incentives that are in place are further amplification of bad faith narratives and cohesion of the tribe / groupthink, and of course, the pursuit of uncompromising political power against their supposed enemies.

 

The other incentive in place is oversimplification of control, of issues, of thinking -- just blame somebody else, no matter the real facts -- screw nuance.  If enough people say the same thing with tons of piss n vinegar, it must be true,... right,... 

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/07/biden-intel-briefings-trump-00145651
 

U.S. intelligence officials are planning to brief Donald Trump on national security matters if he secures the GOP nomination this summer — despite concerns about his handling of classified information.

 

The decision would be in keeping with a tradition that dates back to 1952, but it would mark the first time an administration has volunteered to share classified information with a candidate who is facing criminal charges on charges that he mishandled classified documents.

 

The Biden administration intends to share intelligence with the former president no matter the outcome of his trial in Florida, according to a senior intelligence official and a second person with knowledge of internal conversations. They, like some others interviewed, were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations.

 

The sit-down is not legally required, but for the last 72 years, incumbent administrations have tapped the spy agencies to read in the candidates of both major political parties on some of the most pressing threats to the country. While often this is just one meeting, sometimes candidates receive several briefings.

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2 hours ago, Starkiller said:

The GOP turned to culture wars issues because every other policy they run on was unpopular. And they just get more and more extreme.

 

They started w/ spin honestly. Then more and more spin. Then outright lies and propaganda. And now they're to the point where it's just outrage and culture wars. It's why I call it the symptoms of a dying party. 

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My recollection is that the big Republican lie started when Reagan said cutting taxes would produce even more revenue.  Paul Ryan and others took it from there.

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22 minutes ago, reo said:

They started w/ spin honestly. Then more and more spin. Then outright lies and propaganda. And now they're to the point where it's just outrage and culture wars. It's why I call it the symptoms of a dying party. 

 

You drop in a Trump in nearly any other era, and the guy would have been laughed out of the party.  Cruz , Graham, Rubio, they all called him out as a uniquely unqualified lying pos, trading on demagoguery and a cancer to the gop.  But by mid 2010's that's exactly what the party wanted, another guy who shakes his fist and swears at the TV blaring Fox , and similar trash -- and importantly amplifying/legitimizing bullshit narratives and impetuously reacting to create on-the-fly policies.  Who the fuck ever heard of policies being delivered by rando tweets, 90min after a Fox broadcast on the same 'issue'

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15 minutes ago, begooode said:

 

You drop in a Trump in nearly any other era, and the guy would have been laughed out of the party.  Cruz , Graham, Rubio, they all called him out as a uniquely unqualified lying pos, trading on demagoguery and a cancer to the gop.  But by mid 2010's that's exactly what the party wanted, another guy who shakes his fist and swears at the TV blaring Fox , and similar trash -- and importantly amplifying/legitimizing bullshit narratives and impetuously reacting to create on-the-fly policies.  Who the fuck ever heard of policies being delivered by rando tweets, 90min after a Fox broadcast on the same 'issue'

 

yeah, it's all about how insulated the republican base has gotten w/ spin and propaganda. They've been conditioned over the years to not listen to anyone outside of their media. 10 or 20 years ago and the insulation of real news and facts wouldn't have been as well established. 

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Just now, reo said:

 

yeah, it's all about how insulated the republican base has gotten w/ spin and propaganda. They've been conditioned over the years to not listen to anyone outside of their media. 10 or 20 years ago and the insulation of real news and facts wouldn't have been as well established. 

 

Over that time is the marked change in the punditry for conservatives, even in their civility towards dems.  They went from George Will's and David Gergen's to Sean Hannity's and Tucker Carlson's truth be damned, emo filled screeds and manipulation.

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2 hours ago, Starkiller said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/07/biden-intel-briefings-trump-00145651
 

U.S. intelligence officials are planning to brief Donald Trump on national security matters if he secures the GOP nomination this summer — despite concerns about his handling of classified information.

 

The decision would be in keeping with a tradition that dates back to 1952, but it would mark the first time an administration has volunteered to share classified information with a candidate who is facing criminal charges on charges that he mishandled classified documents.

 

The Biden administration intends to share intelligence with the former president no matter the outcome of his trial in Florida, according to a senior intelligence official and a second person with knowledge of internal conversations. They, like some others interviewed, were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations.

 

The sit-down is not legally required, but for the last 72 years, incumbent administrations have tapped the spy agencies to read in the candidates of both major political parties on some of the most pressing threats to the country. While often this is just one meeting, sometimes candidates receive several briefings.

 

Hopefully they give him false info in order to catch him using it.

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3 hours ago, Starkiller said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/07/biden-intel-briefings-trump-00145651
 

U.S. intelligence officials are planning to brief Donald Trump on national security matters if he secures the GOP nomination this summer — despite concerns about his handling of classified information.

 

The decision would be in keeping with a tradition that dates back to 1952, but it would mark the first time an administration has volunteered to share classified information with a candidate who is facing criminal charges on charges that he mishandled classified documents.

 

The Biden administration intends to share intelligence with the former president no matter the outcome of his trial in Florida, according to a senior intelligence official and a second person with knowledge of internal conversations. They, like some others interviewed, were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations.

 

The sit-down is not legally required, but for the last 72 years, incumbent administrations have tapped the spy agencies to read in the candidates of both major political parties on some of the most pressing threats to the country. While often this is just one meeting, sometimes candidates receive several briefings.

I'm sure it will be the kindergarten version of it. 

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