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[Blackjack]

Holy fuck when will this thread die  

[OzTitan]

1 hour ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

As prospects not a bad comparison.

 

Goff has evolved a bit this year behind a really good Lions OL and run game he is doing a much better job of working his way through progressions than he did at the Rams.

 

 

 

Yeah he is doing well this season, probably holding down the starting gig there for at least one more season. Possibly only just now entering his prime as a pocket QB at 29. He's like a borderline QB1 in fantasy this season, not a bad achievement for a statue.

 

I think plenty of teams would be happy with that sort of QB in the 1st, all it takes is to develop a tendency to perform in the clutch and that prospect goes from Goff to Goff with rings. But yeah I don't think he's a Vrabel QB.

[Somedude]

10 hours ago, tgo said:

 

What are you cunts arguing about now?! 

 

(Did I do that right?) 

The fuck is this dumb cunt talking about?

[Justafan]

Personally, I want a QB that will sit in the damn pocket and excel within structure.  

[tgo]

11 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Personally, I want a QB that will sit in the damn pocket and excel within structure.  

I like the old school QB model best as well - but those players just aren’t coming out of CFB very often anymore. 

[charleytolar]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

I like the old school QB model best as well - but those players just aren’t coming out of CFB very often anymore. 

There was a time-- perhaps not too long ago -- when college football programs were viewed as preparing players for the pros. 

[Justafan]

6 minutes ago, tgo said:

I like the old school QB model best as well - but those players just aren’t coming out of CFB very often anymore. 

If the guy you want isn't there, don't force it.  That's my philosophy for whatever it's worth.  Obviously coaches and GMs can't think that way because they have so much pressure to win now.  

[Supernope]

Just now, Justafan said:

If the guy you want isn't there, don't force it.  That's my philosophy for whatever it's worth.  

That kind of nonsense results in missing out on the next Jake Locker!

[BudsOilers]

12 hours ago, tgo said:

You prefer Willis? 

 

Not a huge difference IMO - I sure as hell am not trading up for either of those guys.

[Mythos27]

57 minutes ago, Justafan said:

If the guy you want isn't there, don't force it.  That's my philosophy for whatever it's worth.  Obviously coaches and GMs can't think that way because they have so much pressure to win now.  

This sounds good until you see the likes of Jalen Hurts being an MVP candidate. I think the old model is largely dead and the Burrow types are the unicorns. We've seen a lot of the old QB scouting narratives die very public deaths with the likes of Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Hurts not only becoming good players but dominant players. Being able to succeed when the play breaks down is a requirement at this point. Defenses are just too fast/good/athletic these days. You won't have perfect execution on most plays.  

[BudsOilers]

6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

This sounds good until you see the likes of Jalen Hurts being an MVP candidate. I think the old model is largely dead and the Burrow types are the unicorns. We've seen a lot of the old QB scouting narratives die very public deaths with the likes of Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Hurts not only becoming good players but dominant players. Being able to succeed when the play breaks down is a requirement at this point. Defenses are just too fast/good/athletic these days. You won't have perfect execution on most plays.  

 

At the end of the day, though, the QB has to be able to process information at NFL speed and make accurate throws.  There has to be some baseline of what a team can work with/develop.

 

Not sure Hurts is a great example in this - Philly has the best OL in football and top 5-10 skill people.  There's a lot of QB's that would be eating in that environment.  The QB here for example would be.....

[Nash]

Correspondingly, the type of offensive linemen is changing also.. teams like the 49ers, Eagles, have built offensive systems that utilize the skills of the college players in this era.. If it's Kelly to be OC, he needs to have a vision for that type of system going forward.. (that's why I thought the selection of Willis was a forebear of this concept, but alas Willis may only be a placeholder until they are ready for a franchise QB)

[Mythos27]

23 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

At the end of the day, though, the QB has to be able to process information at NFL speed and make accurate throws.  There has to be some baseline of what a team can work with/develop.

 

Not sure Hurts is a great example in this - Philly has the best OL in football and top 5-10 skill people.  There's a lot of QB's that would be eating in that environment.  The QB here for example would be.....

Solid point. I'm thinking more along the lines of no longer just writing these under-developed passers completely off as I have been forever. I though Allen and Lamar were the most sure-fire busts of all time. Same with Hurts. even if Hurts isn't as good as he appears right now, he's most certainly a good enough passer to win with which is hard to find. There is also the issue that these are the type of QBs coming out of college ball these days and we have to find a way to adjust to that. If we decide that nothing but the Joe Burrow type will do, we're going to have to stomach untold seasons of ineptitude while we wait for the stars to align. Willis is garbage but I'm more open to the mobile type than I have been in years. Yes, the guy will eventually have to pass to win but being a sub-optimal passer coming out of college doesn't seem like an automatic disqualifier anymore. 

[tgo]

19 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Solid point. I'm thinking more along the lines of no longer just writing these under-developed passers completely off as I have been forever. I though Allen and Lamar were the most sure-fire busts of all time. Same with Hurts. even if Hurts isn't as good as he appears right now, he's most certainly a good enough passer to win with which is hard to find. There is also the issue that these are the type of QBs coming out of college ball these days and we have to find a way to adjust to that. If we decide that nothing but the Joe Burrow type will do, we're going to have to stomach untold seasons of ineptitude while we wait for the stars to align. Willis is garbage but I'm more open to the mobile type than I have been in years. Yes, the guy will eventually have to pass to win but being a sub-optimal passer coming out of college doesn't seem like an automatic disqualifier anymore. 

 

Even Joe Burrow has a lot of mobility and improvisational ability though - he's not a statue out there. He also gets sacked a shit ton because of his style. 

[Nash]

Another value to this sort of system is that the #2 and #3 qb's , while not as proficient as a #1, can still function.. Hurts is out for 2 -5 weeks at least, (maybe until their first playoff game since I think they are going to be the #1 seed in the NFC) .. let's watch Gardner Minchew this weekend and see what happens to their system..

Edited December 20, 2022 by Nash