JRob Fired. Wyatt Confirmed.

[IsntLifeFunny]

17 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Best analysis I've seen on Robinson's failures. 

They lost me when I looked down the chart and saw Julio as not his fault. Taking on the contract was a huge mistake. 

[cenj]

@tgo, I'm curios to hear where you stand now. 

 

Are we all still idiots for criticizing JRob because he is an obvious top 5 GM, and you find any argument against it as absurd and not worth your time?

 

Or, has your stance softened a little?

[tgo]

I’m going to go ahead and eat some crow here, @BudsOilers - 

 

The guy is a grade-A asshole, but he was right on it being a totally different game from a personnel standpoint from taking a team from shitty to good vs taking a team from good to great - where the decision making margin of error becomes incredibly thin, and the stakes are higher. The decisions around cap management become much harder and require a higher level of strategy and intelligence. 
 

So yeah - I was wrong, and @BudsOilers was right on this. Taking the lesson to heart. 
 

Also props to @oldschool for calling out my over-hyping of Robinson while recognizing that he was a good GM, but not elite. Taking the lesson to heart. 
 

But what can I say, I love me some general managers. 

 

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 minute ago, tgo said:

I’m going to go ahead and eat some crow here, @BudsOilers - 

 

The guy is a grade-A asshole, but he was right on it being a totally different game from a personnel standpoint from taking a team from shitty to good vs taking a team from good to great - where the decision making margin of error becomes incredibly thin, and the stakes are higher. The decisions around cap management become much harder and require a higher level of strategy and intelligence. 
 

So yeah - I was wrong, and @BudsOilers was right on this. Taking the lesson to heart. 
 

Also props to @oldschool for calling out my over-hyping of Robinson while recognizing that he was a good GM, but not elite. Taking the lesson to heart. 
 

But what can I say, I love me some general managers. 

 

I mean you loved Webster and then moved onto Robinson...it was an upgrade for sure no matter that it didn't end well. 

[tgo]

2 minutes ago, cenj said:

@tgo, I'm curios to hear where you stand now. 

 

Are we all still idiots for criticizing JRob because he is an obvious top 5 GM, and you find any argument against it as absurd and not worth your time?

 

Or, has your stance softened a little?

Lol, clearly I was wrong. 
 

I do think some of the moves he was heavily criticized for were over the top ridiculed on an individual basis. It was the culmination of bad decisions that was the issue. 
 

Ultimately, @ctm was right - too many big mistakes. 
 

I do really enjoy the personnel side of things and hopefully will continue to learn more every year as a layman league observer - just gotta keep my homerism in check sometimes. (But then again - where’s the fun in that?!) 

[tgo]

1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I mean you loved Webster and then moved onto Robinson...it was an upgrade for sure no matter that it didn't end well. 

Steady improvement baby

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, tgo said:

Steady improvement baby

I was joshing. It's definitely going to be a very interesting off-season. I have zero idea what they're planning to do or how the structure ends up after all of this. 

[Jonboy]

I'm sure someone has already suggested it in this thread, but what are the odds Irsay cans Ballard and goes all in to hire JRob? Given his obsession with overtaking the Titans, I won't be the least bit surprised if it happens. I'm sure Robinson has his own anger and frustration with how things went down. Irsay would love to channel that anger into revenge...right into a new role as the Colts GM.

[scine09]

I don't see it @Jonboy.  He's already said Ballard is the Michael Jordan of GMs or something like that.  I think he's gonna go all in on Ballard to find the next guy and see where it takes them.

[titanruss]

1 hour ago, Downtown said:

Why has no one brought up that our defensive gameplan was to contain but not sack Hurts? That inevitably led to a massive game for AJ. Another troll job by Vrabes

 

I doubt that was the mindset of vrabel that game. He's not going to sandbag to prove a point.. and if he would then I'd want him fired too. I do think he underestimated Hurts passing abilities.

 

We were also in the game even after Burkes got hurt until daley fucked us on offense and were forced to take a FG. .. thats a JRob move that made even less sense than trading AJ.  We gave up a 5th for him and he'd been one of the worst players in the league and continued that going into this game. There was a stat here with the highest pressure % since '14 and Daley was the only player on there twice. That "fix" for losing lewan when there was plenty of other options on the table was a weird one.

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

I'm not totally sold yet that Vrabel will get an additional title or true final say over personnel - there are ways to divvy personnel control up as well that aren't absolute. 

 

For instance, I read early on that Robinson actually had control over inactives every week. Maybe Vrabel gets that control and final say over the 53 or something like that - but doesn't get final say over who is drafted or signed to begin with. A power sharing arrangement like that could work without it tilting to absolute control ala Belichick. 

 

That seems like a normal GM/ coach relationship. If it's found JRob had final say on the gameday/inactives rosters then thats on Amy. A GM should voluntarily give that up to the coach.

[Tex in a Can]

8 minutes ago, Jonboy said:

I'm sure someone has already suggested it in this thread, but what are the odds Irsay cans Ballard and goes all in to hire JRob? Given his obsession with overtaking the Titans, I won't be the least bit surprised if it happens. I'm sure Robinson has his own anger and frustration with how things went down. Irsay would love to channel that anger into revenge...right into a new role as the Colts GM.

Robinson GM with Jeff Saturday as coach to replace Ballard and Reich, I would say downgrade.

[Downtown]

6 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

I doubt that was the mindset of vrabel that game.

I'm half joking. Just funny the D gameplan is what led to an even bigger AJ day. 

[Jamalisms]

32 minutes ago, BlueThunder said:

Your takes are so stupid. You should just sit back and watch

 

30 minutes ago, BlueThunder said:

Good morning football just showed vraible getting up and walking away from J rob does anyone know the context of this was it over a draft pick

 

Sometimes I wonder why. And sometimes you leave no doubt as to why.

[AvgJoe]

Jim Irsay is going to hire Jim Harbaugh this off-season and it will be the beginning of the end for Ballard. 

[titanruss]

11 minutes ago, Jonboy said:

I'm sure someone has already suggested it in this thread, but what are the odds Irsay cans Ballard and goes all in to hire JRob? Given his obsession with overtaking the Titans, I won't be the least bit surprised if it happens. I'm sure Robinson has his own anger and frustration with how things went down. Irsay would love to channel that anger into revenge...right into a new role as the Colts GM.

 

Yeah i said that in the GM thread. I think it's entirely possible we do a straight up GM switch.

 

I dont think Amy is just going to throw Vrabel a yes man unless we are desperate... but I do think he's going to get a little more power than he had.