Amy Adams Strunk likely behind stripping Brian Callahan of his play-calling(Terry McCormick)

[Mythos27]

3 hours ago, Titans279 said:

Also I noticed the discussion somehow moved to arguing if her decisions were “meddling” or not, with the point being if it’s not meddling we can’t count it against her. (And meddling meant getting involved in decisions an owner shouldn’t be making).
 

A nice judo flip but the point many were making was about her tendency to flip from strong endorsements to firing in a matter of months. She went from saying Ran gave us a competitive advantage in the offseason to firing him for being lazy so fast. 

Precisely. It's not out of line to note that as a united front, they pretty much publicly announced they were giving Callahan the season (Don't expect changes any time soon) and then two weeks later, Amy unilaterally fires him. Her being embarrassed led her to abruptly abort a plan that she and her presumably most trusted advisors agreed to mere weeks ago. That's not nothing.

Edited October 17 by Mythos27

[oldschool]

12 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Precisely. It's not out of line to note that as a united front, they pretty much publicly announced they were giving Callahan the season (Don't expect changes any time soon) and then two weeks later, Amy unilaterally fires him. Her being embarrassed led her to abruptly abort a plan that she and her presumably most trusted advisors agreed to mere weeks ago. That's not nothing.

 

So they should have let things continue to spiral just because they planned to give him the entire year? Callahan absolutely should have been fired, the team was getting worse and not showing any growth. You don't stick by a decision based on old data just because.... Thats not being reactionary. The inflexible argument you are making is bad business. 

Edited October 17 by oldschool

[Mythos27]

Callahan being deserving of being fired is a separate discussion. He was deserving of being fired before they said they would be patient. According to most here, he was deserving of being fired before the season. And yet, he was not fired until Amy felt embarrassed in front or her family. J-Rob, according to his draft record, was technically deserving of being fired long before he actually was. Notice however, that he wasn't fired right after the AJ trade (which he told her about). He was fired after AJ came to town and embarrassed her. Vrabel had been losing games for a while before he was fired. Many on this board felt he should be fired well before the infamous trip to New England. However, Vrabel wasn't fired until he publicly embarrassed Amy by flirting with the Patriots and then personally hurt her by not being apologetic about what he said. Despite the losing she felt he was a good coach so she could abide by the losing, but she absolutely could not stand what she saw as a personal betrayal. Maybe my assessment that she's impatient is wrong. She seems to be adequately patient in terms of losing until it feel personal for her and she's not very thick-skinned. Carthon might have been the only guy who was fired purely for performance and yet honestly, he's her most embarrassing mistake. 

[oldschool]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

Callahan being deserving of being fired is a separate discussion. He was deserving of being fired before they said they would be patient. According to most here, he was deserving of being fired before the season. And yet, he was not fired until Amy felt embarrassed in front or her family. J-Rob, according to his draft record, was technically deserving of being fired long before he actually was. Notice however, that he wasn't fired right after the AJ trade (which he told her about). He was fired after AJ came to town and embarrassed her. Vrabel had been losing games for a while before he was fired. Many on this board felt he should be fired well before the infamous trip to New England. However, Vrabel wasn't fired until he publicly embarrassed Amy by flirting with the Patriots and then personally hurt her by not being apologetic about what he said. Despite the losing she felt he was a good coach so she could abide by the losing, but she absolutely could not stand what she saw as a personal betrayal. Maybe my assessment that she's impatient is wrong. She seems to be adequately patient in terms of losing until it feel personal for her and she's not very thick-skinned. Carthon might have been the only guy who was fired purely for performance and yet honestly, he's her most embarrassing mistake. 

 

Dude... you keep playing the embarrassment angle. When do people usually get fired in a job? Isn't it usually after someone loses confidence in them or there is a event or a chain of events that leads to the decision? Why wouldn't piss poor showing after piss poor showing, be a good reason to fire Callahan midseason? You aren't being rational here....

[japan]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

 

I beleive DePodesta has lost some power to Berry but could be wrong. Either way things aren't working in Cleveland and its not just about the QB. Berry has had a say in personnel going back to 2016, he was out of the org for a few yeas, but came back in 2020 with even more Power. Stefanski is in year 6 as well. Prolly time to start over.

Oldschool as a Browns fan: 'Haslam getting a bad rap.  He swung for the fences with the Watson signing.  Look, lot of teams wanted him.  He was extremely desired.  Sometimes things don't work out...'

Edited October 17 by japan

[oldschool]

Just now, japan said:

Oldschool as a Browns fan: 'Haslam getting a bad rap.  He swung for the fences with the Watson signing.  Look, lot of teams wanted him.  He was extremely desired.  Sometimes things don't work out...'

 

Never said that lol... keep trying. Haslam is what many of you think AAS truly is.

[Mythos27]

5 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

So they should have let things continue to spiral just because they planned to give him the entire year? Callahan absolutely should have been fired, the team was getting worse and not showing any growth. You don't stick by a decision based on old data just because.... Thats not being reactionary. The inflexible argument you are making is bad business. 

Look, if they had gotten together and collectively decided that a change had to happen prematurely, I'd have less of a problem with it. I have no problem with re-assessing a decision but I do have a problem with unilaterally aborting a plan that you set in place in conjunction with others that know way more than you without their input. She didn't reconvene the team and come to a different conclusion based on rational thought. She got butthurt that she was embarrassed in front of her family and didn't want to give Vrabel the satisfaction of publicly embarrassing her again. That's not rational, logical thinking. It's emotional. I understand the undertones of calling a woman in power emotional and I have tried to avoid it because of that but I have to be honest; her decisions seems to at least be heavily tinged by emotions. 

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Dude... you keep playing the embarrassment angle. When do people usually get fired in a job? Isn't it usually after someone loses confidence in them or there is a event or a chain of events that leads to the decision? Why wouldn't piss poor showing after piss poor showing, be a good reason to fire Callahan midseason? You aren't being rational here....

Bro, I'm not saying that firing Callahan mid-season is inherently irrational. There are several ways his firing could've played out that would have been perfectly reasonable but she didn't choose any of those ways. She chose a way that played right into the perceptions people already had of her. You didn't have those perceptions so it looks like nothing to you but I promise you people are not making this up out of whole cloth. I've only recently begun to be critical of her after defending her for a long time. She's not firing people when she realizes they deserve to be fired (except for maybe Ran), she's firing them when she feels they make her look bad. 

[oldschool]

11 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Look, if they had gotten together and collectively decided that a change had to happen prematurely, I'd have less of a problem with it. I have no problem with re-assessing a decision but I do have a problem with unilaterally aborting a plan that you set in place in conjunction with others that know way more than you without their input. She didn't reconvene the team and come to a different conclusion based on rational thought. She got butthurt that she was embarrassed in front of her family and didn't want to give Vrabel the satisfaction of publicly embarrassing her again. That's not rational, logical thinking. It's emotional. I understand the undertones of calling a woman in power emotional and I have tried to avoid it because of that but I have to be honest; her decisions seems to at least be heavily tinged by emotions. 

 

so stick with a previously set plan despite overwhelming evidence supporting deviating from said plan? Thats passive management and it never ends well.

[OilerTitanHybrid]

7 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

J-Rob, according to his draft record, was technically deserving of being fired long before he actually was. Notice however, that he wasn't fired right after the AJ trade (which he told her about). He was fired after AJ came to town and embarrassed her.

 

Not trying to go all @scine09 on ya man, but the Philly game was a road game.  The Titans lost 35-10 that day, when AJ went off.  That was the game where Tannehill said to AJ afterwards "You didn't have to go and do all that now!" 

 

I also specifically remember being at that game, because it was the same game where, after buying a cheesesteak, it took me exactly 7 minutes and 55 seconds to get back to my seat, because a 275 lb. fat lady (I weighed her) in front of me had just dropped her entire order on the concrete!  I slipped in her pool of soda and popcorn, which took me exactly another 45 seconds to get back up and brush all the popcorn off me.

 

Needless to say, that was a little gem of a game experience I'll never forget!

[Mythos27]

15 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

so stick with a previously set plan despite overwhelming evidence supporting deviating from said plan? Thats passive management and it never ends well.

Ok so how is her "active management" currently going?

[Mythos27]

10 minutes ago, OilerTitanHybrid said:

 

Not trying to go all @scine09 on ya man, but the Philly game was a road game.  The Titans lost 35-10 that day, when AJ went off.  That was the game where Tannehill said to AJ afterwards "You didn't have to go and do all that now!" 

 

I also specifically remember being at that game, because it was the same game where, after buying a cheesesteak, it took me exactly 7 minutes and 55 seconds to get back to my seat, because a 275 lb. fat lady (I weighed her) in front of me had just dropped her entire order on the concrete!  I slipped in her pool of soda and popcorn, which took me exactly another 45 seconds to get back up and brush all the popcorn off me.

 

Needless to say, that was a little gem of a game experience I'll never forget!

Thank you for the correction. 

[rns90]

35 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Dude... you keep playing the embarrassment angle. When do people usually get fired in a job? Isn't it usually after someone loses confidence in them or there is an event or a chain of events that leads to the decision? Why wouldn't piss poor showing after piss poor showing, be a good reason to fire Callahan midseason? You aren't being rational here....

She actually gave him time to get his ass into gear.  The demotion (play calling being taken away)  was the last chance.

 

And they still looked fucking awful aside from one quarter.  What are you supposed to do after that ? Keep on sticking with that ?  
 

Of course not.

[TheBukafax]

This whole argument is dumb lol

 

They didn’t hire a senior O assistant who was a perfect fill in as interim for nothing.

 

They obviously discussed the option of letting BC go that off season and decided against it. They obviously knew there was a chance that they would fire him so they hired a contingency plan.

 

They didn’t just scramble not knowing what to do and it just happened to be McCoy lol,

Edited October 17 by TheBukafax

[oldschool]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

Ok so how is her "active management" currently going?

 

You are dissecting a decision you know to have been the right one with the notion that how she arrived at it was wrong. Makes no sense. I'll ask again, aside from firing jrob midseason, which I agree was not a good look, what moves did she arrive at that were reactionary? she moved quickly to correct the Carthon and Callahan hires, thats exactly what you want in a leader/owner. I wish she would hire better people like everyone else but this conversation is silly on so many levels.