scine09 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 2 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: Are you McCormick? Ae you insinutating he's McCormick but not friends with himself? Haha. IsntLifeFunny, japan, and NashvilleNinja 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 2 hours ago, oldschool said: As the owner if she thinks a football decision of that caliber isn't good for the business side, thats her right. That isn’t even abnormal. That one being used against her as evidence is funny to me. Anytime you want to trade a face/long time draw of a franchise, the owner always can nix it. Seen it in other sports . Pick another reason for her “meddling” but not that one. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 2 hours ago, oldschool said: Those two have to be separated. One is a fact, the other is a poorly sourced report from McCormick who is notorious for being late and inaccurate. I'll need more before I give that report credence. But like I said up thread, if true that would suck. That's definitely fair. I'm not presuming it's true, but it is alarming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 1 minute ago, Mythos27 said: Growth in football is neither linear nor permanent. It's situational. Save for a serious injury, Cam was not going to be "ruined" by Callahan just like VY was not ruined by Fisher nor Mariota was ruined by Whiz/Mularkey/Vrabel. Put competent players around Cam next year and he'll be just fine. The team is as lost, directionless, and bad as it was under Callahan and that's unlikely to change. Frankly, I don't care that she fired Callahan. He did enough to dig his own grave. My problem is that this franchise has been behaving like it has no idea what to do for years, is showing no signs of changing, and it starts with the owner. Its not just about football, its about replacing an ineffective leader in your org. No one thinks the team is going to magically get better and start wining games but Callahan had to go as the team is not just bad under him, they are circling the drain on and off the field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 6 minutes ago, oldschool said: of course we do, would be the team's best win moral wise in years. I wonder what the bar is for McCoy to get serious consideration as the guy beyond this season. The schedule is brutal so its unlikely the win column shows anything but what if Ward turns the corner and the team plays hard and is competitive, especially within the division? Id guess something like 4-5 more wins and serious contenders in most if not all of the games. A serious turn around for the offense and ward looking legit would also need to happen but i doubt we get 1 without the other. I wouldn't put many eggs in this basket atm though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 5 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Why hire Brinker and give him total control over football decisions if you're going to meddle and make decisions like this. She's just like her dad if this story is true and there is little hope to fixing things. This also makes it likely she got emotional after the Eagles game, where AJ Brown went off and fired Robinson mid season Absolutely fuck Brinker. Borgonzi should have the controls and put an end to this collab project. I think AAS is in over her head, but those play calls with Cally were terrible. His in game decisions were terrible. Number9, and DCTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 I don't see how the offense can turn around even if the coaching is better. They just don't have the players. Mythos27, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 Just now, scine09 said: I don't see how the offense can turn around even if the coaching is better. They just don't have the players. We are going to see more hurry up, RPOS, half field reads etc... They will simplify the offense a ton is my guess. Will it translate? no idea but the bar is so low it will be hard not to. ChemEngr79 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Its not just about football, its about replacing an ineffective leader in your org. No one thinks the team is going to magically get better and start wining games but Callahan had to go as the team is not just bad under him, they are circling the drain on and off the field. Why were her chief football advisors (Brinker/Borgo) not on the same page? Why was the entire org caught off-guard if this was not an impulsive, unilateral move? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 2 minutes ago, scine09 said: I don't see how the offense can turn around even if the coaching is better. They just don't have the players. You can totally scheme guys open. We just don’t have the coaching staff to do that. Buffalo has guy that would be 2s and 3s on most teams but their offense is so well coached that Allen finds guys open constantly because they run such smart route concepts to burn defenses. Our offensive design is been all predicated on Ward making tough throws into contested zones because once again they’ve schemed the offense based on Wards arm ability instead of what looks the defense has given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Why were her chief football advisors (Brinker/Borgo) not on the same page? Why was the entire org caught off-guard if this was not an impulsive, unilateral move? Not to be a dick here... have you ever sat in a meeting with a CEO and laid out an argument, sat while they listened and asked questions, only to have them at the end come to a different conclusion than you? It happens and doesn't mean someone is meddling. This idea that you and others have that she shouldn't be involved or overrule her top Football guys on org defining decisions is not grounded in reality. You think Mara in NY won't have final say on if Daboll is fired? Or the owner of the Bills with Mcdermott? You honestly think "good" owners never weigh in and decide against what their GMs/Presidents pitch. The board room is way more collaborative, an exchange of ideas, different points of view, etc... than sports fans realize. I don't know where this fantasy comes from where NFL owners just sign paychecks and should let Football people make every last decision without consultation and feedback. I promise you right now if you came into ownership of an NFL franchise tomorrow you ass wouldn't be hands off to the degree you claim AAS should be. No one would. Edited October 15, 2025 by oldschool Jamalisms, Omar, ChemEngr79, and 2 others 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 1 hour ago, oldschool said: Dude... Callahan was historically bad, not just bad. You know the move needed to be made and should have been made earlier. You are a smart guy, I don't understand this take from you. Jrob was here for 6 years, Vrabel for 5. Carthon and Callahan were terrible hires in hindsight, when you know you have made a bad mistake, you correct it. you don't wait. Now if she fires Brinker or Borgonzi in the next 1-2 years, you might have a point as the pattern would be established post jrob/vrabel. If you want to look at it strictly business POV, it was the right move. Empty seats and fans booing the coach off the field. She didn’t need to wait for the season to come to a conclusion that this isn’t working out. They were already bleeding fans no need to compound it. That’s not even taking into consideration the football side of it where they look worse every week. DCTitan, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 1 minute ago, oldschool said: Not to be a dick here... have you ever sat in a meeting with a CEO and laid out an argument, sat while they listened and asked questions, only to have them at the end come to a different conclusion than you? It happens and doesn't mean someone is meddling. This idea that you and others have that she shouldn't be involved or overrule her top Football guys on org defining decisions is not grounded in reality. You think Mara in NY won't have final say on if Daboll is fired? Or the owner of the Bills with Mcdermott? You honestly think "good" owners never weigh in and decide against what their GMs/Presidents pitch. The board room is way more collaborative, an exchange of ideas, different points of view, etc... than sports fans realize. I don't know where this fantasy comes from where NFL owners just sign paychecks and should let Football people make every last decision without consultation and feedback. I promise you right now if you came into ownership of an NFL franchise tomorrow you ass wouldn't be hands off to the degree you claim AAS should be. No one would. She obviously has never had any prior experience as a CEO. She inherited this position. So, I doubt these meetings go like the oldschool Fortune500 ones. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 11 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not to be a dick here... have you ever sat in a meeting with a CEO and laid out an argument, sat while they listened and asked questions, only to have them at the end come to a different conclusion than you? @Jamalisms incoming... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 31 minutes ago, rns90 said: That isn’t even abnormal. That one being used against her as evidence is funny to me. Anytime you want to trade a face/long time draw of a franchise, the owner always can nix it. Seen it in other sports . Pick another reason for her “meddling” but not that one. Haslem, Tepper, Jerry Jones immediately come to mind. Edited October 15, 2025 by ctm rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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