Brian Callahan

[ChesterCopperpot1]

39 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

I don't think Vrabel is a great coach or anything, but it was clear how much better he was than Callahan last year.  I just can't wrap my head around how the FO decided that guy wasn't good enough, then did anything other than immediately fire Callahan after the prior season.  The 49ers hired some losers after Harbaugh, but they immediately moved on before they did any more damage 

Yes -- I think most everyone agrees Vrabel is a better coach than Callahan. I thought that pretty early on in his tenure last year. 

 

I was for moving on from Vrabel, but if you are going to make a ballsy move like that, you better get someone better. We clearly failed in that regard. 

[TerryBoats]

14 minutes ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said:

Yes -- I think most everyone agrees Vrabel is a better coach than Callahan. I thought that pretty early on in his tenure last year. 

 

I was for moving on from Vrabel, but if you are going to make a ballsy move like that, you better get someone better. We clearly failed in that regard. 

There are many here who disagree, or somehow tried to equate Vrabel's struggles with Callahan when there's clearly a huge discrepancy in the competitiveness of the team .

[ChesterCopperpot1]

Just now, TerryBoats said:

There are many here who disagree, or somehow tried to equate Vrabel's struggles with Callahan when there's clearly a huge discrepancy in the competitiveness of the team .

Vrabel is a coach who will never really truly bottom out. But I also don't think he will ever win anything. 

[Number9]

On 5/13/2025 at 8:55 AM, BudsOilers said:

Do you think you'll be around in 4 months?  I mean the average life span for a black male in the USA is 73.5 years so you're already playing with house money.....

Going through this thread from the very beginning.  Reading each post.  This was the saddest one so far, although there are other contenders.

 

Attacking other posters because they see things differently should be looked on with disdain.  I think we're better than that.  

Edited September 29, 2025 by Number9

[prometheus]

11 hours ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said:

I need to know if @reo and @prometheus still think we haven’t seen enough from Cally to write the book on him 

 

I am always slow to change, and a change (firing and leaving) during the season will be major for the FO, the remaining coaching staff, and the players.

 

The FO would almost certainly be viewed very negatively by the rest of the NFL.  The Commissioner would  have a strong conversation with AAS. Coaches and FA would  be very hesitant to even consider coming here.  It would likely be a desperate coach or FA to seriously consider coming (although there are only 32 potential vacancies).  

 

The coaching staff is in shambles.  I would hope we could keep Dennard and Bones.  Otherwise, there is little to hope for in the current staff for the teaching and planning so much needed here.  And, per description above, there might be few willing to  come.  Side note:  I always liked Jim Schwartz (uncertain about spelling here).

 

There is a dearth of talented players on this team.  Wholesale replacements are needed to even be competitive.  Of course, everyone knows this from top to bottom.  Doing it is a 3-4 year project.  My guess is that the team will be in the new stadium a year or two before this team is average or better than average.

 

To answer the question, I am hanging onto hope by the thinnest of threads.  I fear the consequences of what would be a catastrophic release of coaches in- season.  That may be too harsh, but the possibility exists IMO.  The most important thing is to keep our franchise QB safe and at least progressing and not regressing.

 

pro

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

There are many here who disagree, or somehow tried to equate Vrabel's struggles with Callahan when there's clearly a huge discrepancy in the competitiveness of the team .

I defended Vrabel til the end and still think he's a good coach. His teams looked just as over-matched as this team. Recency bias is hitting you. That game we lost to the Texans Vrabel's last year was much worse than yesterday. This team has been ass since 2022. It was cheeks in 2021 btw. 

Edited September 29, 2025 by Mythos27

[TerryBoats]

21 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I defended Vrabel til the end and still think he's a good coach. His teams looked just as over-matched and this team. Recency bias is hitting you. That game we lost to the Texans Vrabel's last year was much worse than yesterday. This team has been ass since 2022. It was cheeks in 2021 btw. 

That's just absolutely not true if you look at the W/L record and point differential under Vrabel vs. Callahan.  Over half of their losses in those last couple of years under Vrabel were by 5 or fewer points, while most of these team's losses under Callahan were by double digits.

 

You'd have to refer to the Malik Willis/Josh Dobbs/Dennis Daley/NPF/Burks era of the team to find a comparison to the current quality of play we're getting, and even they managed to push some playoff teams at that time.  

 

Edited September 29, 2025 by TerryBoats

[Mythos27]

Just now, TerryBoats said:

That's just absolutely not true if you look at the W/L record and point differential under Vrabel vs. Callahan.  Over half of their losses in those last couple of years were by 5 or fewer points, while most of these team's losses under Callahan were by double digits.

 

You'd have to refer to the Malik Willis/Josh Dobbs/Dennis Daley/NPF/Burks era of the team to find a comparison to the current quality of play we're getting, and even they managed to push some playoff teams at that time.  

 

You're looking at numbers and while numbers have their place, I'm talking about the feel of watching the games. There was little to no difference. You tuned in on Sunday thinking you were going to lose and then you watched the team lose. It was not competitive. Also remmeber I'm speaking specifically about Vrabel's very last season. You must remember what that was like around here. Shit was miserable and every thread was about how much people hated Vrabel. Not a soul was lauding the team's competitiveness.

[Bongo59]

Vrabel is and was light5 years better than BC.  Not even close.  

[rns90]

30 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

 This team has been ass since 2022. It was cheeks in 2021 btw. 

I know you keep on harping on the cause of this but this is the bigger problem even more than the coaching.

 

They have whiffed on talent evaluation and acquisition since 2020.  Useless drafts from 2020-2022 (2023 looks like a bust aside from Skronksi).

 

The big moves in FA and trades have been total whiffs for the most part (Clowney, Julio Jones, Sneed, Ridley).

 

The good teams restock or find guys off the scrap heap and plug them in and get good mileage/value out of these guys.  We just haven’t been good at this area.

 

To be fair to Borgonzi at least his first draft looks promising, esp the fourth round. 
 

But yeah, you can’t whiff on that many off seasons in a row and not have some blowback.

[Mythos27]

13 minutes ago, rns90 said:

I know you keep on harping on the cause of this but this is the bigger problem even more than the coaching.

 

They have whiffed on talent evaluation and acquisition since 2020.  Useless drafts from 2020-2022 (2023 looks like a bust aside from Skronksi).

 

The big moves in FA and trades have been total whiffs for the most part (Clowney, Julio Jones, Sneed, Ridley).

 

The good teams restock or find guys off the scrap heap and plug them in and get good mileage/value out of these guys.  We just haven’t been good at this area.

 

To be fair to Borgonzi at least his first draft looks promising, esp the fourth round. 
 

But yeah, you can’t whiff on that many off seasons in a row and not have some blowback.

Posters have very short memories. We were in a very similar death spiral right before J-Rob took over. J-Rob took over, got Tannehill, in a few short years we were a real contender until we weren't. It can happen again for us but the path is unclear. 

[oldschool]

24 minutes ago, rns90 said:

I know you keep on harping on the cause of this but this is the bigger problem even more than the coaching.

 

They have whiffed on talent evaluation and acquisition since 2020.  Useless drafts from 2020-2022 (2023 looks like a bust aside from Skronksi).

 

The big moves in FA and trades have been total whiffs for the most part (Clowney, Julio Jones, Sneed, Ridley).

 

The good teams restock or find guys off the scrap heap and plug them in and get good mileage/value out of these guys.  We just haven’t been good at this area.

 

To be fair to Borgonzi at least his first draft looks promising, esp the fourth round. 
 

But yeah, you can’t whiff on that many off seasons in a row and not have some blowback.

 

This isn't even a debate. I saw something this morning on Titans twitter can't find it but it had numbers that show the Titans are getting less from draft picks over the last 5-6 years than anyone else. Its putrid how multiple GMs and staffs, yes that includes Vrabel, have done with this roster. 

[NashvilleNinja]

6 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

This isn't even a debate. I saw something this morning on Titans twitter can't find it but it had numbers that show the Titans are getting less from draft picks over the last 5-6 years than anyone else. Its putrid how multiple GMs and staffs, yes that includes Vrabel, have done with this roster. 

 

Tinfoil hat time: what if it's all been on purpose? What if all these "the NFL is rigged!" people are right?

 

 

 

[reo]

3 hours ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said:

Nope as in you don't think we have seen enough from him, or nope as in you no longer think that?

 

Ward said himself that its an execution thing, not a play calling or gameplan problem. 

 

We have a QB who has started 4 games. Give him time.

[OilerTitanHybrid]

2 hours ago, Number9 said:

Going through this thread from the very beginning.  Reading each post.  This was the saddest one so far, although there are other contenders.

 

Attacking other posters because they see things differently should be looked on with disdain.  I think we're better than that.  

 

I know the response to that!  It would be...