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5 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

Well that's largely true.  I do a bit of trolling.  But when I say something about Callahan, it's sincere.  There's nothing funny about the shit show that I had to endure this year.

It wasn't a good year.  But he did get better even if you don't want to admit it.  The penalties dropped.  The special teams improved.  The game calling improved.  The clock management improved.  He was doing on the job training while having to call a game for the first time.  It was always going to be rough looking back.  He says the right things.  I still think he's the right guy.

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4 minutes ago, scine09 said:

It wasn't a good year.  But he did get better even if you don't want to admit it.  The penalties dropped.  The special teams improved.  The game calling improved.  The clock management improved.  He was doing on the job training while having to call a game for the first time.  It was always going to be rough looking back.  He says the right things.  I still think he's the right guy.

 

I agree.  He showed improvement, although may not have started at the level we'd (naïvely) hoped.  I think he needs to bring in a legit OC and new ST coach, and likely listen to himself more and his dad less.  Other than that, it will be all about the QB.

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47 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

Vrabel leaked to Lombardi that he was unhappy and wanted out.  Now he was right about Carthon and Levis but that's also pretty low hanging fruit.  It did come out he started being unhappy when AAS didn't listen to him and hire Cowden instead of Carthon.

 

Not the first time she's seen a head coach try to weasel control like that. I'm sure she had pretty good seats watching Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher go at it.

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39 minutes ago, IowaOiler said:

 

I agree.  He showed improvement, although may not have started at the level we'd (naïvely) hoped.  I think he needs to bring in a legit OC and new ST coach, and likely listen to himself more and his dad less.  Other than that, it will be all about the QB.

Special teams improved.  Do you fire the ST coach when things got better?  I don't see why you would.  He was a new coach as well.  I don't know much about that the OC does but in listening to his podcast with Mike Keith it doesn't sound like he has any plans in firing him.  Maybe it'll be forced, who knows.  It's a young staff and they're all growing.

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59 minutes ago, scine09 said:

It wasn't a good year.  But he did get better even if you don't want to admit it.  The penalties dropped.  The special teams improved.  The game calling improved.  The clock management improved.  He was doing on the job training while having to call a game for the first time.  It was always going to be rough looking back.  He says the right things.  I still think he's the right guy.

They are still over 100 yards worse than the second worst team in PR yards allowed and 2nd worst in average PR.  ST improved from being historically inept to just simply bad.

And they were still nearly dead last in penalties, so I'm not seeing the improvement.  There was also no meaningful improvement to the offense outside of some garbage time points, and the team is currently drafting #1 so I'm not sure where the improvement in clock management was supposed to be apparent to me.

 

The most shocking thing is that he's a worse offensive coach than the guys that Vrabel was picking up off the scrap heap.  

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6 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

They are still over 100 yards worse than the second worst team in PR yards allowed and 2nd worst in average PR.  ST improved from being historically inept to just simply bad.

And they were still nearly dead last in penalties, so I'm not seeing the improvement.  There was also no meaningful improvement to the offense outside of some garbage time points, and the team is currently drafting #1 so I'm not sure where the improvement in clock management was supposed to be apparent to me.

 

The most shocking thing is that he's a worse offensive coach than the guys that Vrabel was picking up off the scrap heap.  

I get it.  The beginning of the season stunk.  I think things got a lot better as the year went on.  Whether it showed up in the stats or not, it's irrelevant, it was plainly obvious when watching the games.  I am throwing out the first half of the year as he was facing a steep learning curve.  I believe he got a lot better and we will continue to see that growth.  If the team is terrible in penalties again and special teams regresses back to what it was and they continue to lose a lot of games without any real offensive improvement and no future at QB to speak of?  Well we both know what will happen if that's the case.

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1 hour ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Not the first time she's seen a head coach try to weasel control like that. I'm sure she had pretty good seats watching Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher go at it.

I doubt she was even in the building for much of that time.  If there's a biography or something out there, someone please share it.  But my opinion is that AAS is just another born into wealth and hasn't done shit.  The best that we can hope for is that she has good advisors and hires the right people.  

 

Does she want the team to do well?  Of course.  Is she willing to spend daddy's money?  Yes.  

 

These Adams kids don't seem to do much beyond living off the tit.  

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4 minutes ago, scine09 said:

I get it.  The beginning of the season stunk.  I think things got a lot better as the year went on.  Whether it showed up in the stats or not, it's irrelevant, it was plainly obvious when watching the games.  I am throwing out the first half of the year as he was facing a steep learning curve.  I believe he got a lot better and we will continue to see that growth.  If the team is terrible in penalties again and special teams regresses back to what it was and they continue to lose a lot of games without any real offensive improvement and no future at QB to speak of?  Well we both know what will happen if that's the case.

I honestly thought they looked worse.  At the beginning of the year, they looked like a team who simply needed a QB and a new ST coordinator in order to be reasonably competitive.  By the end, they just looked every bit of the worst team in the league.  They lost to the Jags twice ffs

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Just now, TerryBoats said:

I honestly thought they looked worse.  At the beginning of the year, they looked like a team who simply needed a QB and a new ST coordinator in order to be reasonably competitive.  By the end, they just looked every bit of the worst team in the league.  They lost to the Jags twice ffs

Well the talent fell off as the year went on, that is due to a lack of depth from years of bad drafting.  As the injuries mounted they just couldn't compete.  I am talking about the overall discipline of the team, the clock management, etc.  Yes, the team was bad but I thought as the year went on the coaching was fine.  Maybe not early but I'd say the final quarter of the season there was a definite change.  

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59 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Why would she have to be in the building for it? 

You saying:

"I'm sure she had pretty good seats watching Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher go at it."

...implies she was in on meetings (supposedly being groomed to take over after Buddy-Boy croaked).

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37 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said:

You saying:

"I'm sure she had pretty good seats watching Floyd Reese and Jeff Fisher go at it."

...implies she was in on meetings (supposedly being groomed to take over after Buddy-Boy croaked).

 

Yea, because shit always stays confined to just meetings.

 

Come on man.

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