Derrick Henry is still an elite back.

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, rns90 said:

I think Tannehill is probably at 40. OL is 40 and “the talk” is at 20%. I think it set him on the right path mentally but it wasn’t the reasons that he finally turned it around .

 

the only part I’ll disagree with is it, we see RB produce (or turn it around ) on a yearly basis.  Not to the extent of Henry’s specific story where he transforms into an all World RB and HOF lock.  That’s the outlier part of it.

I'm honestly perfectly fine with everything you said and yet, I'm made out to be unreasonable. The reasons I'm made out to be unreasonable are because:

1. Successfully labeling someone a "homer" on this board is a shortcut to not having to engage with the substance of their arguments.

2. If you can successfully convince people that Henry became a whole new player then you don't have to admit you were embarrassingly wrong to label him a bust that would never be a starting level RB only to have him become the best RBof his generation and likely a first ballot HOF.

 

I know cope when I see it.

[rns90]

4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I'm honestly perfectly fine with everything you said and yet, I'm made out to be unreasonable. The reasons I'm made out to be unreasonable are because:

1. Successfully labeling someone a "homer" on this board is a shortcut to not having to engage with the substance of their arguments.

2. If you can successfully convince people that Henry became a whole new player then you don't have to admit you were embarrassingly wrong to label him a bust that would never be a starting level RB only to have him become the best RBof his generation and likely a first ballot HOF.

 

I know cope when I see it.

Objectively speaking though, there were enough traits exhibited within the first two years that you could see him becoming at least a star level RB.  I mean it’s not like this dude was Najee Harris or some stiff RB.

 

RB is most dependent on other parts .  Even more than WR

[Callidus]

40 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I'm honestly perfectly fine with everything you said and yet, I'm made out to be unreasonable. The reasons I'm made out to be unreasonable are because:

1. Successfully labeling someone a "homer" on this board is a shortcut to not having to engage with the substance of their arguments.

2. If you can successfully convince people that Henry became a whole new player then you don't have to admit you were embarrassingly wrong to label him a bust that would never be a starting level RB only to have him become the best RBof his generation and likely a first ballot HOF.

 

I know cope when I see it.

What a homer thing to say. 

[Mythos27]

37 minutes ago, rns90 said:

Objectively speaking though, there were enough traits exhibited within the first two years that you could see him becoming at least a star level RB.  I mean it’s not like this dude was Najee Harris or some stiff RB.

 

RB is most dependent on other parts .  Even more than WR

Yes. It was very apparent. The talent was always there and yet we had people saying some of the most retarded shit I've ever seen on here.

[IsntLifeFunny]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

 

2. If you can successfully convince people that Henry became a whole new player then you don't have to admit you were embarrassingly wrong to label him a bust that would never be a starting level RB only to have him become the best RBof his generation and likely a first ballot HOF.

 

I know cope when I see it.

To be fair, that's really only one or two guys around here. Everyone else just thought he wasn't playing up to his ability, which he wasn't. I think the 40/40/20 split is pretty reasonable. 

[Mythos27]

2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

To be fair, that's really only one or two guys around here. Everyone else just thought he wasn't playing up to his ability, which he wasn't. I think the 40/40/20 split is pretty reasonable. 

I don't disagree but more than just those two guys feed into the narrative and fan the flames any time Henry appears to be struggling. If it were just 2 randos, I wouldn't even bother but they have a lot of influence and I see too many otherwise reasonable people parrroting those narratives. If everyone is on board with that 40/40/20 split then frankly I have nothing of real substance to debate. Any other debates would be minor disagreements. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

My guy strolls in and out like 

[OILERMAN]

10 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

.PK was befuddled at how a guy's self-assessment could be so divorced from reality. 

 

Henry talked openly about his early struggles that led to his benching and losing carries, he talked about how he turned it around

 

Mythos was befuddled at how the greatest RB in history's self-assessment could be so divorced from reality. Henry just needed a better OL, better QB and more carries. He was perfect all along!

[OILERMAN]

7 hours ago, rns90 said:

  I mean it’s not like this dude was Najee Harris or some stiff RB.

 

He was benched for Flueallen at one point

[CreepingDeath]

Nick Chubb is d u n done. 

[Callidus]

1 minute ago, CreepingDeath said:

Nick Chubb is d u n done. 

Idk why anyone would expect him to be good after he tore/broke pretty much everything in his leg. 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Henry talked openly about his early struggles that led to his benching and losing carries, he talked about how he turned it around

 

Mythos was befuddled at how the greatest RB in history's self-assessment could be so divorced from reality. Henry just needed a better OL, better QB and more carries. He was perfect all along!

Oilerman still can't figure out a way to take an L that was handed to him almost a decade ago. 

Edited Saturday at 03:16 AM by Mythos27

[XAEA12]

14 hours ago, FireInTheHole said:

I’m in a leadership position and think one of my bosses is a grade A dumbass. However, no matter how dumb he is, he is going off of datapoints that might be in the struggle bus area. So even if he doesn’t understand them, I understand them and have to course-correct. Same with my employees who aren’t doing their jobs correctly. 
 

If someone is fucking up, you correct them. If I have an employee I think could be really good but isn’t putting in the work or showing that tenacity/desire, they don’t get opportunities until they prove they deserve them. This is the case ANYWHERE. 

 

His boss isn't your boss, though. His boss was "run it til it pops" Robiskie, and his boss (Mularkey) was the one who got fired for not firing Robiskie. Guess he didn't like his boss's data points.

 

[XAEA12]

17 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

And Vrabel

 

Fortunately Vrabel canned your dreamboat Dion Lewis, hell he eventually became the number one Henry Homer. If he gave those 150 carries to Henry in 2018 maybe he makes the playoffs his first year coaching. 4.9 ypc and 12 touchdowns splitting carries with a guy running 3.3 ypc and 1 TD, what a joke.

 

Let's not act like meathead was a genius now to support your narrative that Henry was a bum then. Believe it or not, coaches get it wrong sometimes 

[Callidus]

30 minutes ago, XAEA12 said:

 

Fortunately Vrabel canned your dreamboat Dion Lewis, hell he eventually became the number one Henry Homer. If he gave those 150 carries to Henry in 2018 maybe he makes the playoffs his first year coaching. 4.9 ypc and 12 touchdowns splitting carries with a guy running 3.3 ypc and 1 TD, what a joke.

 

Let's not act like meathead was a genius now to support your narrative that Henry was a bum then. Believe it or not, coaches get it wrong sometimes 

Like when he rushed henry back for the playoffs.