Levis named the starter moving forward

[IrishTitansFan]

6 hours ago, pat said:

I might rephrase this as Titans were a winning team when they had a passing game playing well.

 

I thought the QB played well in the Browns game, the Steelers game, but with the pressure the QB didn’t have much of a chance.

I didn’t think Tannehill was good at all vs Cleveland and I don’t think Levis was all that great against the Steelers

[pat]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

 

Don't misunderstand me. I don't think they will make a run but this clueless fan shit where posters have been pushing for a tank job since Feb deserves to be laughed at. They have the Bucs, Colts, Texans twice, and the Panthers. The 4 challenging games are the Jags twice, Dolphins, and Seahawks. All those teams have problems but would be favored for a reason. Now I'm not predicting they go on a run, sorry @pat, but this idea its over at the mid way point is false. They aren't done until they get to 8 or 9 losses.

If the team is improved, then I think going on a run is certainly possible given the schedule.  I don't think it's over at the midpoint, but unless they make a meaningful change it will be over.  The meaningful change will be maximizing the efficiency on first and second down, and then on third down give Levis time to throw even in known passing situations.

The I told you so's will come out the woodwork but I guarantee, if the Titans go on a run, LT is gonna have something to do with it.

[pat]

6 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said:

I didn’t think Tannehill was good at all vs Cleveland and I don’t think Levis was all that great against the Steelers

We can agree to disagree here.  I don't think either QB was productive in both games, but also both QBs dealt with a lot of pressure.

[pat]

On 11/7/2023 at 4:54 PM, big2033 said:

 

You almost had a thumbs up. I don't agree with the connotation of "Anti-Tannehill." Tannehill was good. And a welcome breath of fresh air from the novice QBs we've had come through on rookie contracts who could not understand the fundamentals, they just knew how to run.

 

The issue was, while it's obvious Tannehill had a mid-level floor, he also had a mid-to-high ceiling. He wasn't a playmaker. Our running back was. Henry at his peak could make chicken salad and take it 99 yards.                   

 

And while it was great seeing Henry put on a show, anyone with a brain knew it would be short lived and our QB would have to make plays when shit didn't go as planned.

 

For many, the Bengals game was proof that our QB would never beat a Burrow or any other top QBs because their QB was a playmaker and ours was not, our RB was. So ultimately, unless you hit on all-stars at every other position you're wasting your time.

 

But then some people would say, "if we just added more receivers, if we just had a LT, RT, TE, change-of-pace RB, better play calling ..." LIKE HOLY SHIT. Enough. Our QB is not enough. Admit that, then I can talk about our other issues. How many offseasons did we talk about the offensive return of Tannehill like Jesus was coming back? And then he'd have 21 TDs and 14 INTs

 

I have no clue how Levis will turn out. What's refreshing is everyone YOU INCLUDED, can finally see what playmaking talent at the QB position looks like in a Titans uniform. 

 

That's why you're on board. Some of you are genuinely shocked at the velocity and the ability to make chicken salad. But that's what a franchise QB should do. And that's what Tannehill wasn't. That's all I've been saying. 

 

2 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

We'll go 3-14. Happy?

 

So to my question. You seem to be really angry and want predictions ... I guess to shove in people's faces after the fact? 

 

My question is why. You keep avoiding the question. 

From "What's refreshing is everyone YOU INCLUDED, can finally see what playmaking talent at the QB position looks like in a Titans uniform." to "We'll go 3-14"  in the same thread?

Yep, that right there, that's the point -- that for all that chest beating about how Titans finally got a "franchise QB", deep down every poster knows that Titans aren't going anywhere unless the pass blocking gets fixed.  I'm glad we're on the same page, and I'm looking forward to praying that the team figures out how to protect the QB on Sunday.

[rns90]

11 minutes ago, pat said:

If the team is improved, then I think going on a run is certainly possible given the schedule.  I don't think it's over at the midpoint, but unless they make a meaningful change it will be over.  The meaningful change will be maximizing the efficiency on first and second down, and then on third down give Levis time to throw even in known passing situations.

The I told you so's will come out the woodwork but I guarantee, if the Titans go on a run, LT is gonna have something to do with it.

This is it.  If you want to break it down easier, they just haven't gotten that one stop or that one td that is the difference between winning and losing close games.  Obviously the talent level is below those 2019-21 teams, so the coaching decisions/philosophical stuff matters more. And the rolling out of stiffs at LT and the predictablilty of schemes/playcalling doesn't help at at all and hinders.  But they are not that far away from winning a bunch of games in a row.

[pat]

My 7-10 prediction is not about Levis -- I think he'll look great, and hopefully he won't get hurt.

Rather the 7-10 prediction is about how the LT position has been neglected since Lewan got busted for PEDs, and thus I have little faith that something will magically get done in the few weeks that didn't get done over the last few years.

Edited November 10, 2023 by pat

[rns90]

Just now, pat said:

My 7-10 prediction is not about Levis -- I think he'll look great, and hopefully he won't get hurt.

Rather the 7-10 prediction is about the LT position has been neglected since Lewan got busted for PEDs, and thus I have little faith that something will magically get done in the few weeks that didn't get done over the last few years.

I think he's an improvement over Tannehill and he may make more plays but yeah the fundamental issues aren't solved.  Levis got sacked 4 times and pressured a bunch.  Those won't go away.  Neither will the putting the OL in obvious pass blocking situations by running it 7 out of 8 possesions in the second half stuff.  And making it harder on the offense/qb.

 

  Those are non-qb issues that people want to ignore for whatever reason.  

[BudsOilers]

Well there is a significant number of retard posters who believe that the issue with the offense was the QB.  The two games to date have dismissed that even with Levis exceeding pretty much everyone's expectations of what he'd be initially.  The home game was production in line with what Tannehill did vs the Chargers and Bengals.  Versus the Steelers, it looked a lot like the road games and probably the closest comp was the road Indy game.  It's very clear to anyone who understands football that the pass protection issues, self inflicted due to a warped offensive philosophy, is why the offense has and will continue to mostly struggle unless they fix it.  Something this coaching staff has shown a complete inability to do.

 

Tannehill shit the bed in the opener more so with the missed throws to Chig and Spears than the 3 INT's, where predictably the retards tried to dissect incorrectly on cause on at least one of them if not two.  That aside, he was the main reason they lost.

 

Likewise, Levis made critical errors vs the Steelers that was a main reason they lost the game - the blown red zone plays at the end of the half, the off target deep ball on 4th down, and the horrid INT (not to mention two others that were just as bad were dropped) on the last drive.

 

As for the QB switch, it's very clear unless you're a moron that it means they have shifted into develop Levis for 2024 mode more than we're doing everything to win in 2023 mode.  I think the loss to PIT and the results of the weekend definitely were sobering in terms of what reality is. 

 

My hope is that the do all they can to put Levis in positions to succeed - that means passing more on conflicted downs to mitigate the pass pro but also FIXING the LT spot with people they've had all year to do so but haven't.  That said, I fully expect what we've seen.  I'll be pissed if they keep on doing what they've done and Levis gets injured.  Of course, that scenario may be what's needed for ownership to realize this coaching staff is ill equipped to build a sustainable offense.

 

 

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

 

I was told teams never give up on the current year midway through the season.

If you think Tannehill gives you the best chance to win, then it's easy to believe that starting a rookie at QB is giving up on winning. 
 

But when the rookie is vastly improving the offense, It's a weird rationale to also think we are giving up on the year.
 

Giving up would be to bench anybody Ran isn't planning on bringing back that also isn't directly involved in Levis' growth / protection. You'd give young guys all the playing experience possible. 

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, Pragidealist said:

Season is over and he has to now develop a rookie QB who is a gunslinger.  That's a lot of things to make him bummed. 

 

Rookie QBs make a lot of mistakes. 

Gunslingers go for the big play over the smart one that the coaches designed. (their pov)

 

Vrabel strikes me as the guy (as most coaches probably are) that want consistence smart decisions over "fuck it, I'm sending him."    They got the latter. 

 

Just a gut thing and I'm totally ok if people disagree but I personally think the idea of coaching this kid exhausts him mentally.  

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing it's also about Vrabel probably losing some personnel decision power that he had recently gained. 

[Pragidealist]

1 minute ago, titanruss said:

I'm guessing it's also about Vrabel probably losing some personnel decision power that he had recently gained. 

I think so too. It may be less extreme- like influence.  Sometimes new leadership comes in and the power structure stays the same but some find their voice carries less weight than it did.  

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, pat said:

The threads all started with how this was just like when Tannehill took over from Mariota… so yeah, I’m asking people to man up and say if that’s what they actually think is happening here.

Not on that level of course, with the understanding that we don't have the quality of players that team did. .. but we could absolutely be a much better going forward. 
 

The team seems more energized across the board. The uncertainty with the lame duck at QB permeated the team. We lost some identity that we seem to have regained. 

[titanruss]

2 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

Don't misunderstand me. I don't think they will make a run but this clueless fan shit where posters have been pushing for a tank job since Feb deserves to be laughed at. They have the Bucs, Colts, Texans twice, and the Panthers. The 4 challenging games are the Jags twice, Dolphins, and Seahawks. All those teams have problems but would be favored for a reason. Now I'm not predicting they go on a run, sorry @pat, but this idea its over at the mid way point is false. They aren't done until they get to 8 or 9 losses.

Wanting to tank was based entirely on the pretty clear signals (for a lot of us) that Tannehill was done and not coming back next season, that Henry was possibly gone,.. and the run-it-back strategy was obviously half-assed. Letting good players walk out the door in favor of gaining cap or because Vrabel wanted to have "his guys" to reset the locker room attitude. 

 

All that was an obvious losing strategy done to placate the coach and owner. 
 

Getting a new GM with a lame duck at QB was an obvious reset point... and next years QB draft was supposed to be top tier. 
 

It's at the point now that stacking wins and gaining confidence for Levis is more important than needing to get into the top 5 for a QB. 

 

[titansfan]

This is an interesting question after this past draft season...

 

 

Would you trade Levis for Bryce Young straight up?

[big2033]

1 minute ago, titansfan said:

This is an interesting question after this past draft season...

 

 

Would you trade Levis for Bryce Young straight up?

 

Too early.