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McCreary wasn't a world beater, but it isn't like we have a bunch of guys coming up that we have to pay. Creating/exacerbating a hole in the roster for a 5th round pick isn't awesome process imo

I’ve always thought Zac Taylor was one of the worst coaches in the league and that he coasted off of QB play. I was more than willing to give BC the benefit of the doubt given he’s his own person. Still, it’s insane to me that Zac Taylor is still there. The people that complain incessantly about AAS have no idea how good we have it when so many owners have such an insane level of indifference towards their club that allows guys like Zac Taylor to end up becoming one of the longer tenured coaches in the league.

He had 8 catches in 4 games his rookie year and 15 in 9 games his second year. I liked him too especially for a 5th round pick, but it’s awfully rich for people who were slobbering all over him a few years ago to now pull the draft capital card on Restrepo. Sure, 5th round is better than undrafted, but both are draft capitals that traditionally fail an overwhelming majority of the time; if I had to guess, I’d actually say there are probably more successful UDFA WRs than there are 5th rounders (though it would mainly be due to the sheer volume of UDFAs compared to 5th rounders).

Yeah it’s getting ridiculous. We should cut him and bring back everyone‘s favorite premier 5th round pick, Kyle Philips. No one ever overhyped him based purely on camp reports and extremely limited film.

Would be nice if we finally gave him some run at slot considering he played over 80% of his college snaps there. He was always gonna have a much better chance at being impactful as a big slot, but meathead saw his height and didn’t have the mental capacity to comprehend him being anything other than an X. I think he’s pretty much a lost cause no matter what, but his usage has been infuriating.

Maybe two to three years from now, they’d be willing to take someone like Green after establishing a culture. It’s clear they are trying to get high character guys and leaders which is kind of the opposite of what Green is billed as.

If Jacksonville had the pick to do over, they’d pick Lawrence again without a second of hesitation. Also, needing a QB doesn’t automatically mean that the QB you take isn’t worth the pick. The overwhelming majority of experts believe Ward is worthy of being the first overall pick. Sure, he isn’t as good of a prospect as Burrow or Lawrence or Caleb, but we don’t really have the option to choose those guys. Lastly, so many people here are so hesitant to take a QB because he might fail. Literally every single path to acquire a QB is more likely to fail than not. More trades fails than not. More signings fail than not. More picks fail than not, and the lower you go, the more often you fail. Picking a non-Ward player that becomes an all pro would have a negligible impact on us winning a Super Bowl. You can quibble over whether you think Ward will be top 8 or top 12 or top 16, but it’s just a completely irrelevant argument. If you want to classify Ward ending up as the 16th best QB as a failure, that’s a perfectly fine and reasonable conclusion, but it’s irrelevant to argument of who to take as even the chance of having a top 16 QB is significantly more valuable than any other player on the board. It is impossible to win without a a QB, and there have been maybe 5 or so situations in the past ten years where a team has had an opportunity to acquire a QB that had a greater than 50% chance to succeed. It is an uphill battle, but it is one you have to fight because the rest of your team is entirely irrelevant if you don’t have a good QB.

DPJ would be a nice vertical threat, clear out type that I don’t think we currently have. He’s the kinda guy that could get you 400-700 yards for cheap without ever really looking out of place.

If I’m the Browns, I’d rather Levis than Pickett. Plus I feel like Levis belongs on the list of all the Browns starting QBs

I want all of my picks to be HOF caliber.

I think they’re more along the lines of providing general stability for a potential young QB. Zeitler himself isn’t helping us win more games and also isn’t a long term answer, but he will be helpful in providing line play that doesn’t destroy a QB’s development.

Maybe not for some, but it definitely matters in the larger outlets like ESPN. If the Giants had the first pick, we'd have AI generated Ward to Nabers highlights in the Sportscenter top ten.

Until the teams in position to pick a QB need a QB and won't trade.

The problem is that pretty bad isn't enough. You have to be the worst or second worst team in the league most years. Don't get me wrong, that's in the cards, but shit happens. The Giants were an utter atrocity this year, and they are on the outside looking in at this QB class.

For me, it's not that QB needs to come first, it's that we are currently in a better position to acquire a QB than you could reasonably expect to be again in the near future. When you start playing the pick accumulation/draft a QB next year game, you invite a lot of unknowns into the equation. You don't know what QBs will declare, how good the top end of the QB class will be, how deep the top end of the QB class will be, where you will be picking, what the QB needs for the teams at the top of the draft are, the willingness of the top of the draft teams to trade, etc. I agree that if it were an ideal world, you'd have a perfect infrastructure in place before taking a QB, but by the time we get that level of infrastructure, we may never again find ourselves in a position where a top 2-3 QB in a draft is an option for us. I think that what we have done this offseason so far points to us having enough of a supporting cast that we wouldn't stunt a QB's development. When you take a QB anywhere in the draft, the odds are against them succeeding, but the odds are the best when you have your pick of the litter, so there is really no better time than when you have that opportunity.