NashvilleNinja Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Just trying to get a discussion going on why Callahan's offense was a bad fit for Cam, or was at least not the best fit, and what he needs going forward from a system standpoint. Cam's processing speed, ability to hit tight windows, intermediate accuracy, calm under pressure, and ability to create when structure breaks down seems like it should have fit Callahan's offense to a T. The talent level around Cam didn't help, but at the end of the day Callahan's offense didn't work. Some proof of that was later in the season where the offense started moving the ball with more success. Where did Callahan's scheme and Cam's tendencies deviate the hardest? Was Callahan's system too static/rigid in what it expected of Cam? Did it seek to minimize and squash Cam's tendencies toward creation in favor of efficiency (e.g. hit the simple play, not always look for the dynamic play)? Obviously Cam has a very high football IQ, but he isn't Joe Burrow. And Cam doesn't have Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins to throw to. Is that what it takes to make that Taylor/Callahan offense tick? Generational players? Not that Cam isn't as he's been compared to Mahomes a lot. But take away Chase and Higgins... would Mahomes have as much success in that Taylor/Callahan offense as Burrow? Would Burrow in that scenario? I'm also curious to understand how McDaniel's offense would be suited to Cam since he's who the majority here think the Titans may hire to be the next HC. Is the jist pretty much that Callahan prefered static structure whereas McDaniel welcomes chaos and creation on the fly? Not that McDaniel's offense is backyard ball... there's structure to his offense too. But he utilizes motion a lot more than Callahan's did. I've seen it described as "weaponizing" motion. Long story short, what does Cam need moving forward schematically? It's a nice thought that Cam could make any offense work, but what kind of offense would best allow him to work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SleepingTitan Posted January 13 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 13 11 personnel with a sus OL titanruss, begooode, OILERMAN, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fry Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) There was no attempt to establish any kind of identity. It was like Whiz’s offense from day one and it was painfully obvious to anyone with eyes. I have no idea how he was retained. His midseason firing was an obvious outcome in January of last year. Edited January 13 by Fry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo59 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Callahan did not have the right plays, did not have the ability to multitask calling plays and running game management on the sidelines as a HC, and did not know the rules. He also did not use the rookies on the roster right off the bat and he should have delegated more to others and let them do their jobs. He was green and not ready and his game day performance showed it and his record reflected it. He was historically bad choice for head coach and AAS, Brinker and Carthin should all be gone for suggesting him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) It didn't. He didn't have enough time for us to know. All throughout the first half of the season, Ward held the ball too long, wanted the big shots and was missing his first read- he didn't like to check it down. Taht really didn't change until after the bye. They started the season against top rushing teams including the 14-3 broncos, 12-5 Rams, & 12-5 Texans. (and a colts team that started hot before their qb injury). Creating a 0-4 record and an offense looking like it was going nowhere. Its no surprise that the offense didn't start to click and looked like it was improving until about the last 4 weeks in the season. It was a brutal schedule to start off a rookie, new oline and a system that did not rely heavily on a run game. If you told anyone- we'd be 0-4 by week for starting the season- no one would have been surprised. The reality was just harder to take. Then add in drops and Ridley's injury- and having to rely on 3 rookies (Helm, Dike, and Ayo) for offensive production- all later round picks. It's crazy to me ppl were surprised. Whatever offense he intended and whatever it may have been (good or bad) we'll never know. This will not be a popular post and it is not a defense of his system. It was... yeah.. this was what I expected (not hoped for) for this season. Edited January 13 by Pragidealist CreepingDeath, prometheus, and SleepingTitan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Too many long developing route trees and an Oline that couldn't protect Ward. BC was too ridged to deviate what he perceived to be the right offense instead of play calling to Wards strengths and weaknesses. It was pretty obvious when we started scoring more points and protecting Ward better after McCoy took over. Overall lack of talent as well. Just my two cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 As others have said the lining up in 11 with a suspect offensive line and some of cam ward holding onto the ball to long all factored in. I would also add that everything was just disjointed. Every once in awhile they would pull something out of their ass but most of the time it felt like they were picking plays at random from the sheet. They were ok on opening drives but the rest of games jist felt like they had no plan. It certainly didnt help that papa's run game concepts were worthless along with the screen game basicly puting cam in a worse situation than if they just had hik throw it every down, atleast then he wouldnt have tons of wasted downs to have to work around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 3 hours ago, SleepingTitan said: 11 personnel with a sus OL and a run game disjointed from the passing offense. Callidus, and Nash 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrill Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pragidealist said: It didn't. He didn't have enough time for us to know. All throughout the first half of the season, Ward held the ball too long, wanted the big shots and was missing his first read- he didn't like to check it down. Taht really didn't change until after the bye. They started the season against top rushing teams including the 14-3 broncos, 12-5 Rams, & 12-5 Texans. (and a colts team that started hot before their qb injury). Creating a 0-4 record and an offense looking like it was going nowhere. Its no surprise that the offense didn't start to click and looked like it was improving until about the last 4 weeks in the season. It was a brutal schedule to start off a rookie, new oline and a system that did not rely heavily on a run game. If you told anyone- we'd be 0-4 by week for starting the season- no one would have been surprised. The reality was just harder to take. Then add in drops and Ridley's injury- and having to rely on 3 rookies (Helm, Dike, and Ayo) for offensive production- all later round picks. It's crazy to me ppl were surprised. Whatever offense he intended and whatever it may have been (good or bad) we'll never know. This will not be a popular post and it is not a defense of his system. It was... yeah.. this was what I expected (not hoped for) for this season. Prag are using ChatGPT to write all your posts? Lots of em dashes sir Edited January 13 by Thrill japan, and SleepingTitan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 (edited) Biggest issue for me is the horizontal passing game and all the cute "run solutions" that the West Coast system incorporates. Like just fucking run the ball and then throw the ball, god damn. Ward needs to be in a vertical passing offense where the reads go from deep to shallow instead of being forced into efficiency. He's a big play hunter - let him hunt. More play action, more boot action. Edited January 13 by tgo Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieTitanFan08 Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Loss of physicality and a bottom 3 offensive skill position group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 9 minutes ago, tgo said: Biggest issue for me is the horizontal passing game and all the cute "run solutions" that the West Coast system incorporates. Like just fucking run the ball and then throw the ball, god damn. Ward needs to be in a vertical passing offense where the reads go from deep to shallow instead of being forced into efficiency. He's a big play hunter - let him hunt. More play action, more boot action. I mean most coaches come from some for of west coast now though, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 12 minutes ago, tgo said: Biggest issue for me is the horizontal passing game and all the cute "run solutions" that the West Coast system incorporates. Like just fucking run the ball and then throw the ball, god damn. Ward needs to be in a vertical passing offense where the reads go from deep to shallow instead of being forced into efficiency. He's a big play hunter - let him hunt. More play action, more boot action. The Cincinnati offense is as vertical as it gets for a spread offense IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Pragidealist said: I mean most coaches come from some for of west coast now though, right? Yeah, not my preferred style. Also terrible fit for Ward. Erhardt Perkins/Air Coryell > WCO - and if you're doing WC, give me the Shanahan/McVay version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 Callahans offense relied on players winning their matchups and a ton of option routes. It sucked last year with Levis and I told everyone that It was even worse with less talent and a rookie QB. Ward is good but he can’t make his teammates better and it’s one of the hardest offenses to run in the NFL because of the stuff it asks QBs to do pre snap On top of that, they had no identity and the run game was a disgrace that could’ve easily been fixed. It was all gimmick stuff IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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