ICE Murders Innocent Person in Minneapolis

[LongTimeFan]

Just now, reo said:

 

yes.

Well then I question your reading comprehension. Good talk.

[oldschool]

new defense.

 

"The guy was just traumatized from almost dying on the job 6months ago so forgive him if he saw a car about to ram him and killed someone!"

 

 

 

[oldschool]

BTW I think its very possible Vance is more dangerous than Trump. Is a senile old fool who wants to do illegal shit to get him and his buddies even richer. Vance may actually be a legit Fascist.

[Rogue]

5 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

She blocked the ICE vehicles, an agent can be seen trying to open the door and she accelerates towards another agent. Three actions that will go against any case brought against the agent.

 

Well, no.  She waived the cars by.  That isn't blocking anyone.  You can see that with your eyes.  She did accelerate "towards another agent" that happened to put himself there, but she clearly wasn't trying to run over him.  If she was, she would have turned left.  But she didn't, she turned to the right, away from the agents.  

The agents that approached the car agressively, told her to "get out of the car", even "get out of the fucking car", then proceeded to try and open her door.  Seems to be a lot of that type of behavior as we've seen hundreds of videos.  Hard to blame her for being scared.  

So, why exactly is it that Maga seems to have absolutely zero issue with the agents escalating the situation as opposed to de-escalating?  This likely would not have happened had they just approached the car calmly.  The don't tread on me people are telling the truth....don't tread on ME.  Everyone else is fair game.  

I do agree that likely he won't be charged.  If they move it a federal case nothing at all will happen.  If it stays within the state, he might be charged but likely won't go anywhere.  Although he might have difficulty explaining those second two shots.  

 

5 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

With increase rhetoric and violence against ICE,  by people and politicians with your beliefs, more of these incidents are likely to occur.

I think ICE has brought this on themselves.  They've detained and deported people for years and we have never seen a steady stream of these agressive tactics.  They are ill trained for the job with a sense of immunity, and appear to be general assholes.  Sure, not all, but enough. That's what you want for a police state, but this isn't a police state.  Yet anyways.  You seem okay with it.  

But let's test to see how much free will you do have left.  Do you think this qualifies as domestic terrorism?  

 

 

Edited January 8 by Rogue

[LongTimeFan]

3 minutes ago, Rogue said:

 

Well, no.  She waived the cars by.  That isn't blocking anyone.  You can see that with your eyes.  She did accelerate "towards another agent" that happened to put himself there, but she clearly wasn't trying to run over him.  If she was, she would have turned left.  But she didn't, she turned to the right, away for the agents.  

The agents that approached the car agressively, told her to "get out of the car", even "get out of the fucking car", then proceeded to open her door.  Seems to be a lot of that type of behavior as we've seen hundreds of videos.  Hard to blame her for being scared.  

So, why exactly is it that Maga seems to have absolutely zero issue with the agents escalating the situation as opposed to de-escalating?  This likely would not have happened had they just approached the car calmly.  The don't tread on me people are telling the truth....don't tread on ME.  Everyone else is fair game.  

I do agree that likely he won't be charged.  If they move it a federal case nothing at all will happen.  If it stays within the state, he might be charged but likely won't go anywhere.  Although he might have difficulty explaining those second two shots.  

 

I think ICE has brought this on themselves.  They've detained and deported people for years and we have never seen a steady stream of these agressive tactics.  They are ill trained for the job with a sense of immunity, and appear to be general assholes.  Sure, not all, but enough. That's what you want for a police state, but this isn't a police state.  Yet anyways.  You seem okay with it.  

But let's test to see how much free will you do have left.  Do you think this qualifies as domestic terrorism?  

 

 

First of all, why is she blocking traffic? Second, why is she directing people by, as you allege? Third, if an agent is telling you to get out, you're okay with fleeing the scene?

 

Have you heard the reports that she was following around ICE and agitating the situation? If this is true, she is far from being innocent.

 

I dont know all the ins and outs of domestic terrorism and I would imagine you dont either. Seems a stretch.

 

 

 

 

[Jamalisms]

42 minutes ago, oldschool said:

BTW I think its very possible Vance is more dangerous than Trump.

 

I've long thought that, assuming he gets a following. Trump engenders opposition. There's a balance to his rise. 

 

Vance represents a much sneakier form of hate. He's clearly without any moral or ethical compass but comes across as relatively balanced.

[Jamalisms]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c1lzvyjm3vet

 

We’ve spent much of today debunking false claims related to an incident where US immigration agent shot and killed a woman in the Minnesota.

 

These include:

 

-Manipulated AI images “unmasking” the officer involved

 

-A fake AI-image purporting to be the killed woman in her car speaking to an ICE officer

 

-A viral photo claiming to be of the woman killed is actually of an unrelated individual

 

The team also put together a detailed analysis of how the shooting happened. Click here to watch our frame-by-frame breakdown of the incident.

 

Links embedded in the actual article.

[Rogue]

7 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

First of all, why is she blocking traffic? Second, why is she directing people by, as you allege? Third, if an agent is telling you to get out, you're okay with fleeing the scene?

 

She was in the road, but not blocking traffic  There was a car to her right parked similarly.  I can't say what was happening, but appeared she was turning around.  Cars were going around her.  Yes, she was waving people by.  I did allege that because I can see it with my eyes.  She started to move when one of the vehicles started to pull in front of her.  She stopped and waved them by.  Then the agents showed up right behind the other car and she waved them by.  Nothing nefarious unless you really, really want it to be.  

I'll ask again, since you ignored it, why exactly is it that Maga seems to have absolutely zero issue with the agents escalating the situation as opposed to de-escalating?  That includes you if you consider yourself non-Maga.  

If officers had approached the car like trained professionals, this likely wouldn't have happened.  Not to mention ICE has NO jurisdiction over US citizens.  

 

13 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Have you heard the reports that she was following around ICE and agitating the situation? If this is true, she is far from being innocent.

 

"The claim that she was "following around ICE and agitating the situation" was made by U.S. government officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and President Donald Trump, while local officials and her family described her actions differently. "

Trump is a known liar and Noem was out spouting "domestic terrorism" even before she saw any evidence.  ICE has already been caught lying about events.  I don't believe any of them. 

There are reports of the the ex-husband saying she had dropped her 6 year old at shool and was coming home.  Hardly much time to be following people around and agitating?  

Do you have any evidence, at all, she was interferring with their work?  
 

29 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

I dont know all the ins and outs of domestic terrorism and I would imagine you dont either. Seems a stretch.

So your eyes tell you it might be domestic terrorism.  A stretch indeed.  I can't say I know the ends and outs, but I can't put those dots together to make this domestic terrorism. 

[kgsTitan]

100% she was there to interfere and disrupt ICE, while her partner recorded. Once she saw that she was actually about to get arrested for a noble act (felony) so many others are doing and getting away with, she tried to flee and avoid arrest. She wasn't trying to hit the guy. He shot her because he was mad she was interfering and not following commands, and she gave him an excuse. 

[SleepingTitan]

She. Hit. Him. With. Her. Car.

 

He. Shot. Her. Through. The. Windshield. As. He. Was. Getting. Hit. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

Are you disturbed by the press conference the mayor and then later the governor gave? I would argue they are inciting more hatred and pouring more fuel on the fire.

 

I dont have an X account or spend my life on social media.  

I didn't hear them bald faced lying about something that they're directly overseeing. I agree Walz setting up a confrontation with the National Guard is dangerous. 

[LongTimeFan]

35 minutes ago, Rogue said:

 

She was in the road, but not blocking traffic  There was a car to her right parked similarly.  I can't say what was happening, but appeared she was turning around.  Cars were going around her.  Yes, she was waving people by.  I did allege that because I can see it with my eyes.  She started to move when one of the vehicles started to pull in front of her.  She stopped and waved them by.  Then the agents showed up right behind the other car and she waved them by.  Nothing nefarious unless you really, really want it to be.  

I'll ask again, since you ignored it, why exactly is it that Maga seems to have absolutely zero issue with the agents escalating the situation as opposed to de-escalating?  That includes you if you consider yourself non-Maga.  

If officers had approached the car like trained professionals, this likely wouldn't have happened.  Not to mention ICE has NO jurisdiction over US citizens.  

 

 

"The claim that she was "following around ICE and agitating the situation" was made by U.S. government officials, including Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and President Donald Trump, while local officials and her family described her actions differently. "

Trump is a known liar and Noem was out spouting "domestic terrorism" even before she saw any evidence.  ICE has already been caught lying about events.  I don't believe any of them. 

There are reports of the the ex-husband saying she had dropped her 6 year old at shool and was coming home.  Hardly much time to be following people around and agitating?  

Do you have any evidence, at all, she was interferring with their work?  
 

So your eyes tell you it might be domestic terrorism.  A stretch indeed.  I can't say I know the ends and outs, but I can't put those dots together to make this domestic terrorism. 

She was in the road and blocking traffic. Period.

 

You state you dont believe one side no matter what, so a "conversation " with you about information from either side is pointless. Good day.

[reo]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

BTW I think its very possible Vance is more dangerous than Trump. Is a senile old fool who wants to do illegal shit to get him and his buddies even richer. Vance may actually be a legit Fascist.

 

oh he definitely is a fascist but fascists can't do their thing w/o backing of the people and the base won't follow him.

 

and they know it or they'd have already removed Trump.

[reo]

16 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

She was in the road and blocking traffic. Period.

 

You state you dont believe one side no matter what, so a "conversation " with you about information from either side is pointless. Good day.

 

No, she wasn't. She was waving cars by before pulling onto the road. There was a car to her right blocking traffic in her lane.

 

 

 

The car to her right was blocking traffic. She was pulling out of the driveway behind her. Before this you can see in the video when she waves another car past before she then waves the ICE vehicle past. They stop and one tells her to go and the other tells her to stop. That's when she tries to go and he shoots her.

Edited January 8 by reo

[DollaBillz]

Politics obsessed Titans fans with neurodevelopmental issues are like, “Do I admit ICE made a mistake and then look like I am a bit of a dullard for supporting them? Or, do I look like a weird pansy and pretend being “hit by a car” means something totally different than what most people consider being hit by a car?”

 

Tough choice, but when you’re a politics obsessed tard, you have to choose one!