japan Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 I'm sure that Brinker and Borgo both wanted to avoid any kind of 'interim interference' in selecting the next coach. One of the reasons they probably wanted to wait until the end of the season or closer to the end. But, Callahan was so bad that he basically forced the issue... TerryBoats, SuperFreak90, and DCTitan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 15 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not to be a dick here... have you ever sat in a meeting with a CEO and laid out an argument, sat while they listened and asked questions, only to have them at the end come to a different conclusion than you? It happens and doesn't mean someone is meddling. This idea that you and others have that she shouldn't be involved or overrule her top Football guys on org defining decisions is not grounded in reality. You think Mara in NY won't have final say on if Daboll is fired? Or the owner of the Bills with Mcdermott? You honestly think "good" owners never weigh in and decide against what their GMs/Presidents pitch. The board room is way more collaborative, an exchange of ideas, different points of view, etc... than sports fans realize. I don't know where this fantasy comes from where NFL owners just sign paychecks and should let Football people make every last decision without consultation and feedback. I promise you right now if you came into ownership of an NFL franchise tomorrow you ass wouldn't be hands off to the degree you claim AAS should be. No one would. How about you suggest one thing, the CEO does the opposite, it fails and then you get the call suggesting you fall on the sword. Sometimes that is how the game is played. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, japan said: I'm sure that Brinker and Borgo both wanted to avoid any kind of 'interim interference' in selecting the next coach. One of the reasons they probably wanted to wait until the end of the season or closer to the end. But, Callahan was so bad that he basically forced the issue... Considering it was Brinker and Carthon who led the search and ultimately selected Callahan, maybe she should be more involved this time? japan, and airmcnair22 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 Brinker should be fired next TheChosenTitan, TerryBoats, DCTitan, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, Stan said: Brinker should be fired next He's definitely next man up... DCTitan, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Considering it was Brinker and Carthon who led the search and ultimately selected Callahan, maybe she should be more involved this time? Well, she will be if we stick with McCoy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not to be a dick here... have you ever sat in a meeting with a CEO and laid out an argument, sat while they listened and asked questions, only to have them at the end come to a different conclusion than you? It happens and doesn't mean someone is meddling. This idea that you and others have that she shouldn't be involved or overrule her top Football guys on org defining decisions is not grounded in reality. You think Mara in NY won't have final say on if Daboll is fired? Or the owner of the Bills with Mcdermott? You honestly think "good" owners never weigh in and decide against what their GMs/Presidents pitch. The board room is way more collaborative, an exchange of ideas, different points of view, etc... than sports fans realize. I don't know where this fantasy comes from where NFL owners just sign paychecks and should let Football people make every last decision without consultation and feedback. I promise you right now if you came into ownership of an NFL franchise tomorrow you ass wouldn't be hands off to the degree you claim AAS should be. No one would. I appreciate you trying to give me another perspective. No I have not sat with a CEO gone through the situation your are describing. At the same time, CEOs generally are well versed if not out-right experts in their field. Amy on the other hand doesn't know shit about football and is overriding much more informed suggestions that she previously agreed to. I'm not asking Amy to be hands off. I'm asking her to see her decisions through for a change so that things have a chance to actually work out. Hiring and firing people every 5 minutes looks cool and decisive until you realize you're just spinning your wheels because you don't follow things through long enough to get results. We've made all of these moves the last 3 years and have we moved forwards or backwards? japan, Jamalisms, and oldschool 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: No one is coming to save us. The team will continue to look like shit until we get a massive talent infusion. No disaster was averted by making this move. Deviating from a goal that you just set out for yourself a few days ago is not decisiveness if it's undoing the decision you just made lol. Board wager that the offense looks a lot better under McCoy? SuperFreak90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 (edited) 2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Board wager that the offense looks a lot better under McCoy? I don't do board wagers. I've seen what can happen on this board lmao. I'm confident, not insane. I will however remind you that the last coaching change on offense has yielded a shut out and 2 games where we had 0-3 points going into the 4th quarter. Edited October 15 by Mythos27 IsntLifeFunny, and Supernope 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperFreak90 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 McCoy>>>Callahan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I don't do board wagers. I've seen what can happen on this board lmao. I'm confident, not insane. I will however remind you that the last coaching change on offense has yielded a shut out and 2 games where we had 0-3 points going into the 4th quarter. Just yanking your chain lolz I do think this will be an interesting case study in the effects of coaching on a team. I'm bullish on the fact the offense has been doomed by the scheme and play calls. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 1 hour ago, oldschool said: This is just wrong on many levels. The team was lost and directionless, Ward ( massive investment by the org) was regressing, and the team wasn't just not showing growth, they were getting worse. You don't stay the course because no one is coming to save them. You cut bait and try to show some of incremental improvement while developing Ward and a few other young players. The worst thing you can do in business and sports is just roll with the status quo just because. This move had to be made and now. Acting like its indicative of a lack of patience is misplaced. There are many reasons to complain about AAS. This move aint one of them. Taken into the context of everything that's happened the past few years I can understand the trepidation. If she wasn't in lock step with her football guys that is a problem in and of itself. It doesn't mean it was the wrong move, as it obviously wasn't. Still, it does show evidence of dysfunction regardless of it being the right move. Something in the chain of command feels off. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 57 minutes ago, oldschool said: of course we do, would be the team's best win moral wise in years. I wonder what the bar is for McCoy to get serious consideration as the guy beyond this season. The schedule is brutal so its unlikely the win column shows anything but what if Ward turns the corner and the team plays hard and is competitive, especially within the division? He'll have to play close to .500 football to have a chance. If he goes 5-6 with this roster and you see a noticeable uptick with Ward then he's going to be highly considered. I don't think just being competitive will do the trick like it did for Mularkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 6 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Just yanking your chain lolz I do think this will be an interesting case study in the effects of coaching on a team. I'm bullish on the fact the offense has been doomed by the scheme and play calls. I think it will be interesting to see. So far the Hardegree change has not yielded positive results so I'm interested to see how much they actually change. If the offense suddenly springs to life that will definitely be an interesting thing to document. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15 Report Share Posted October 15 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I appreciate you trying to give me another perspective. No I have not sat with a CEO gone through the situation your are describing. At the same time, CEOs generally are well versed if not out-right experts in their field. Amy on the other hand doesn't know shit about football and is overriding much more informed suggestions that she previously agreed to. I'm not asking Amy to be hands off. I'm asking her to see her decisions through for a change so that things have a chance to actually work out. Hiring and firing people every 5 minutes looks cool and decisive until you realize you're just spinning your wheels because you don't follow things through long enough to get results. We've made all of these moves the last 3 years and have we moved forwards or backwards? So she shouldn't have fired Carthon and Callahan so fast even though both guys sucked really bad because she fired Jrob 3 years ago and Vrabel forced his way out 2 years ago? That doesn't even make sense. You don't compound bad decisions with other bad decisions because you made changes that needed to be made 2-3 years ago. Like I said, she needs to give Brinker and Borgonzi time. They should get a few years to execute their vision for the rebuild. Now if she fired Brinker this offseason or next or Borgonzi after 1-2 years, i'll concede. Omar, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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