AvgJoe Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 11 minutes ago, oldschool said: Fair point. I'd put the Carthon hire up there as her worst move but I do wonder if that was league mandated to get help on the Stadium. Most likely on the league office part. When you go back and look at the list of candidates it definitely supports that theory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 5 minutes ago, japan said: So, in light of this discussion, let's say that McCoy has a modicum of success, not winning many games, but competitive games, etc... Mularkey like. AAS shows up at the couple of wins and gives out game balls maybe even a gameball to a tearful McCoy. After the season, do Brinker/Borgonzi put their necks on the line and say McCoy is not the coach, we want a different guy? Or do they go along with what they think AAS wants even if it's not the best choice for the franchise? I do worry about this based on how she handled Mularkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mythos27 Posted October 15, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 Just now, oldschool said: I would be more inclined to debate this point if the Titans weren't clearly spiraling out of control and getting destroyed week in and week out. Things were compounding weekly. This wasn't a case of the team was competivie, won a few games, but she pulled the trigger at 2-3 because she thought they would be better. Thats not impatience... Thats dealing with reality. The impatience shows up when you go against the plan you already laid out for yourself. The football people, presumably with her blessing, put out the message to not expect any firings any time soon. Two weeks later, she just can't take it and unilaterally fires Callahan in such a way that it literally leaves the rest of the org scrambling to figure out how to proceed. She has not demonstrated she is capable of any type of patience. Her approach is to keep throwing shit at the wall until something sticks. It's the same type of process that keeps the Browns being the Browns. This is not good. airmcnair22, OILERMAN, Titans279, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 31 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I don't understand how changing your mind and deviating from plans as quickly as she does is not interpreted as impulsive. Let's be real here; she doesn't know what she's doing at all. She means well and I think she's trying really hard to be a good owner that puts a good product on the field but wanting to do that and knowing how to do that are 2 separate things. She hires people, goes all in on them, only to fire them months later. Firing J-Rob was justified but she had just given him a massive extension months before. Firing Vrabel was justified but she had extended him not too long before and he was essentially the face of the franchise. She also didn't fire Vrabel because he was a bad coach, that's cope. She fired Vrabel because he embarrassed her and made her question whether he'd rather be somewhere else. Vrabel refused to give the response he probably should have and the relationship deteriorated from there. Firing Ran was justified but too easily we forget that mere months before he suddenly turned into the most incompetent GM in the history of the league, she sided with him in the power struggle against Vrabel and essentially made him the most powerful person in the org. There is no way to interpret this sequence of decisions without concluding that she is either impulsive or simply has epically bad judgement in terms of both football and the character of those she hires. Pick your poison. I also think that the sexism argument is bullshit at this point. I was open to it early on when she had just fired J-Rob mid-season but 3 years later she's not getting any better at decision-making and the team is worse than it's ever been. If Amy is justified in losing faith in her hires after a matter of months of poor performance then it's perfectly within reason for me to lose faith in her after years of shit process and results. We are doing all of the things that dysfunctional orgs do and have been for a while. It's beyond obvious. At this point, only moron homers and know-it-alls who are always wrong insist on spinning this blatant reality. TerryBoats, and airmcnair22 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 1 minute ago, Mythos27 said: The impatience shows up when you go against the plan you already laid out for yourself. The football people, presumably with her blessing, put out the message to not expect any firings any time soon. Two weeks later, she just can't take it and unilaterally fires Callahan in such a way that it literally leaves the rest of the org scrambling to figure out how to proceed. She has not demonstrated she is capable of any type of patience. Her approach is to keep throwing shit at the wall until something sticks. It's the same type of process that keeps the Browns being the Browns. This is not good. Dude... Callahan was historically bad, not just bad. You know the move needed to be made and should have been made earlier. You are a smart guy, I don't understand this take from you. Jrob was here for 6 years, Vrabel for 5. Carthon and Callahan were terrible hires in hindsight, when you know you have made a bad mistake, you correct it. you don't wait. Now if she fires Brinker or Borgonzi in the next 1-2 years, you might have a point as the pattern would be established post jrob/vrabel. rns90, and TheBukafax 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: I do worry about this based on how she handled Mularkey. The one thing I keep coming back to is that the fan base is in a really bad spot with a new stadium coming. Would she really risk hiring McCoy full time with his record versus hiring someone with a better one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 8 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: People said this last time when I expressed concern after Robinson's midseason firing, and we ended up with the worst coach in NFL history. The Titans aren't the Bears. Neither they nor any other team have had 3 GMs and soon to be 3 HCs over the period of 4 years. They also had a young assembly of skill players. Even if you think the opinion of Ward is high, who is he going to throw to? The coach will be tasked with bringing along young WRs along with a young QB, while he may not even get the players he needs as the GM has to tend to many holes throughout the roster. And he may simply be fired before the roster is in decent enough shape to start winning.I'd pass. Callahan was a hot commodity when he was hired. He got several interviews for head coaching jobs. It just didn't work out. Sometimes that happens. TerryBoats, oldschool, and Starkiller 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 29 minutes ago, airmcnair22 said: People keep making this a black-and-white thing — “he deserved to be fired, so who cares when.” It actually does matter. The issue isn’t that he got fired, it’s who made the call and why. If the football guys wanted to wait and ownership overrode them out of emotion, that’s not leadership — that’s meddling. Pretty simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvgJoe Posted October 15, 2025 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 Do people realize how much of a fucking asshole know-it-all Vrabel is? That wears thin really fast when things are down. It’s toxic. Wait until it falls apart in NE and it will. TheBukafax, OILERMAN, animatormike, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 11 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: I just can't believe this shit about her telling them to strip him of his playcalling. It's fucking ridiculous. McCormick's retarded ass is either misunderstanding something he heard or he's vindictively piling onto the AAS is trigger happy narrative because he's always months/years behind the curve. Remember, this is one of the guys who tried to snake this very community when JTB decided to pull the rug out from under TC. He's not exactly a bastion of trustworthiness. @japan Are you friends with McCormick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 6 minutes ago, AvgJoe said: The one thing I keep coming back to is that the fan base is in a really bad spot with a new stadium coming. Would she really risk hiring McCoy full time with his record versus hiring someone with a better one? I can see him getting the job like Mularkey did. And I am not opposed to it. We need stability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 (edited) 9 minutes ago, oldschool said: Dude... Callahan was historically bad, not just bad. You know the move needed to be made and should have been made earlier. You are a smart guy, I don't understand this take from you. Jrob was here for 6 years, Vrabel for 5. Carthon and Callahan were terrible hires in hindsight, when you know you have made a bad mistake, you correct it. you don't wait. Now if she fires Brinker or Borgonzi in the next 1-2 years, you might have a point as the pattern would be established post jrob/vrabel. It's not the decisions. It's the process. Waffling from patience to firing in a matter of days is not good process. I'm judging her based on the traits that she's displaying. I need to know that my owner has a plan that she believes in enough to actually see it through. If you decided to exercise patience with Callahan then presumably, you do so because you see the long-term vision where things improve and if that's what you see, then you see it through. It's hard to work with people that will suddenly deviate from plan they agreed to and then leave you to pick up the pieces. If she's still hiring and firing people like this for say 3 more seasons will you still be unquestioning of her? Edited October 15, 2025 by Mythos27 TerryBoats, Titans279, and airmcnair22 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 19 minutes ago, japan said: So, in light of this discussion, let's say that McCoy has a modicum of success, not winning many games, but competitive games, etc... Mularkey like. AAS shows up at the couple of wins and gives out game balls maybe even a gameball to a tearful McCoy. After the season, do Brinker/Borgonzi put their necks on the line and say McCoy is not the coach, we want a different guy? Or do they go along with what they think AAS wants even if it's not the best choice for the franchise? Do they have an actual search for a coach or is it a sham and Amy already decided McCoy is the guy? Is the GM hire contingent upon accepting McCoy and multiple candidates back out? Oh wait ... that was last time she fired the worst coach ever, mid-season during our QB's rookie year. Well, it's been a fun full circle. Maybe on the next go around we'll win the Super Bowl instead of maxing out at the conference championship. TerryBoats, and AvgJoe 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 Like I said, the mob wants blood. Even thought they got want they wanted in Callahan being fired this week, now they need to blame someone and AAS is the target because she made the decision mid season. You can't fix stupid. TheBukafax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 15, 2025 Report Share Posted October 15, 2025 6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: It's not the decisions. It's the process. Waffling from patience to firing in a matter of days is not good process. I'm judging her based on the traits that she's displaying. I need to know that my owner has a plan that she believes in enough to actually see it through. If you decided to exercise patience with Callahan then presumably, you do so because you see the long-term vision where things improve and if that's what you see, then you see it through. It's hard to work with people that will suddenly deviate from plan they agreed to and then leave you to pick up the pieces. If she's still hiring and firing people like this for say 3 more seasons will you still be unquestioning of her? Callahan has been so bad and the team getting worse, she had no choice but to make the right decision now. Thats not the same thing as impatience. Thats called being decisive which in this particular case, she was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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