Levis named the starter moving forward

[scine09]

26 minutes ago, rns90 said:

I don’t agree with that argument that Sanders made Scott Mitchell elite .  They played in the run and shoot and that inflated the stats and didn’t Herman Moore set the single season catch record in 1995? 

You don't think that Sanders had anything to do with that?  Teams were terrified of Sanders. 

 

And Scott Mitchell was never elite.  Come on.  His numbers may have been good.  But elite quarterbacks can carry teams.  Do you honestly think that Scott Mitchell could carry a team?  OT, Mitchell was tied with Steve Young for 6th in passer rating.  Do you know who led the NFL in passer rating that season?  He was the only guy to eclipse 100.  I remember seeing this years ago and being shocked.

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9 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

I mean ... not exactly but at this point it's semantics.  I think he's capable of being in the top 10 in the right system and will just leave it at that. He's one of those top 12-15 QBs. Like a Kirk Cousins - who has had an amazing career. 

 

There are some seasons where there are only 5 top QBs. Another where there are only 7, another where there are 10. 

I think there's a big different though between being a top 5-10 quarterback and putting up top 5-10 statistics.  Ryan Tannehill has a specific skill set that with the right coaches and players around him he can be put into a position to put up those stats.  But I'm honestly not sure he was ever a top 5-10 QB looking back.  Statistically, in those two seasons, sure.  

[oldschool]

9 minutes ago, scine09 said:

His stats were great.  I won't dispute that.  I never thought he was as good as the stats would tell you.

 

Again, a solid quarterback who was put into the perfect system that played around his talents and hid his warts as much as possible.

 

he was way more than solid in 2019-2020. Why can't you say it? Its your preconceived bias based on his time in Miami. 

[Jamalisms]

18 minutes ago, Justafan said:

In the games Tannehill played his last year in Miami he was on pace for almost 4,000 yards passing and 30 TDs. Is that an accurate representation of what led to his trade? 

 

Well, Ryan Tannehill started 11 of 16 games during his last year in Miami. During that time he had 1,979 yards passing and 17 touchdowns. I'm gonna go ahead and say that doesn't put him "on pace" for an additional 2,000+ yards passing and 13 more TDs over the next 5 games.

 

I'm not sure how you define "accurate representation" but it seems the wrong set of words for the context of how I've heard them used before.

 

With that said, if I took his stats from the next line down (his time playing for the Titans in 2019) and averaged it out ... I get pretty close to 4,000 and 30. Perhaps "accurate representation" means you just can't read a chart from left to right? Language is meant to change and evolve over time but I'm not sure that such a swift shift in definition is advisable.

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1 minute ago, oldschool said:

 

he was way more than solid in 2019-2020. Why can't you say it? Its your preconceived bias based on his time in Miami. 

Why?  Because I think he was put into a perfect position to highlight his skills in a play action, run heavy offense. I do not think he'd have had the same success if they were a throw first team.

 

Mike Vrabel was the perfect coach for him.

[Jamalisms]

Maybe Ryan had high efficiency due to the low passing attempts in 2019 and 2020, as Oldschool agreed in the other thread today.

 

Or maybe he's just confused.

[scine09]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

Maybe Ryan had high efficiency due to the low passing attempts in 2019 and 2020,

That's exactly it.

[Jamalisms]

1 minute ago, scine09 said:

That's exactly it.

 

Good luck getting him to agree despite that he agreed with that statement a bit ago.

[scine09]

Just now, Jamalisms said:

 

Good luck getting him to agree despite that he agreed with that statement a bit ago.

To be honest it should be obvious that it was the main reason for the stats being what they were.  Having Brown, Henry and solid blocking didn't hurt but the main thing was that they weren't a pass oriented offense.

[AussieTitanFan08]

 

[Pragidealist]

1 hour ago, reo said:

https://atozsports.com/nashville/mike-vrabel-titans-will-levis-ryan-tannehill-decision-news/?fbclid=IwAR2FL6DIj0Tq4B4tI8VafIWk55YPnl56KDZIFE_fe5uqcwtWjA1AMJsP4CU

 

Dude... Vrabel did not want to do this. He was forced into Levis.

 

I think he's done after this season and he knows it. NE rumors might be true.

Every time I see him in an interview this year, he looks to me like a guy defeated. I don't know if its just the losses, maybe just his forecast for a very difficult season, or if its something behind the scenes.  I haven't followed the Titans as closely recently- maybe this is normal for him now...  

 

All the roster decisions:

• Levis 3rd string,
• splitting plays with Willis,
•  the oline decisions,
• Vrabel's odd insistence in not complimenting the rookie qb,
•  the rumors of interest in Vrabel from New England (real or not, agent driven or not)
• And now that weird interview about announcing the decision after weeks of being coy. Vrabel certainly doesn't appear to be a guy confident in the decision (his or someone else's) in making this change. 

It all reminds me of Moneyball and the roster conflict between the Billy Beane and Art Howe.   With the new GM- it wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of internal conflict and power struggles. IF so- Vrabel appears to be losing those battles. That could make things interesting this offseason. 

 

Other reasons could exist- regardless that dude right now is not happy and is not the confident, dominant personality that I remember. 

[VaTitan]

4 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

Jesus Christ you serious? If you don't believe Henry was doing well before Tannehill we've got nothing to talk about. You probably think the playoff win over the Chiefs was largely due to Mariota.

 

You probably believe DeMarco Murray wasn't the MVP of our team when Mariota had his best year. It was all Mariota.

 

And outside of Goff? Tannehill. The guy I actually compare to Goff funny enough. Although his recent run puts Goff ahead. Baker Mayfield's best years in Cleveland was largely due to the run game. 

 

Tannehill struggled to carry the Dolphins and when he was added to the Titans, proved he could thrive in an environment where he didn't have to shoulder the load. That load went to the RB. And we ran it with Henry the most since DeMarco Murray in Dallas (2014) - look it up. We leaned on the run. 

 

And suddenly Tannehill became the most efficient QB in the NFL and had the lowest sack rate of his career by far. He also top 3 in 3rd and short situations. 

 

I know this bothers you, because you want to believe you had a franchise QB who suddenly became a star then suddenly declined. But we didn't, we had a franchise RB. And our run-first style helped Tannehill have the best 1.5 seasons of his career. So if you want to give credit to our style and not Henry that's fine too.

 

Anyways, I'm tired of this. You can think what you want. 

Pretty crazy to think that they actually believe this… 

[VaTitan]

4 minutes ago, VaTitan said:

Pretty crazy to think that they actually believe this… 

This is also exactly what I was referring to when I compared them to trumpers.  

[Pragidealist]

35 minutes ago, Pragidealist said:

Every time I see him in an interview this year, he looks to me like a guy defeated. I don't know if its just the losses, maybe just his forecast for a very difficult season, or if its something behind the scenes.  I haven't followed the Titans as closely recently- maybe this is normal for him now...  

 

All the roster decisions:

• Levis 3rd string,
• splitting plays with Willis,
•  the oline decisions,
• Vrabel's odd insistence in not complimenting the rookie qb,
•  the rumors of interest in Vrabel from New England (real or not, agent driven or not)
• And now that weird interview about announcing the decision after weeks of being coy. Vrabel certainly doesn't appear to be a guy confident in the decision (his or someone else's) in making this change. 

It all reminds me of Moneyball and the roster conflict between the Billy Beane and Art Howe.   With the new GM- it wouldn't surprise me if there's a lot of internal conflict and power struggles. IF so- Vrabel appears to be losing those battles. That could make things interesting this offseason. 

 

Other reasons could exist- regardless that dude right now is not happy and is not the confident, dominant personality that I remember. 

 

[TheBukafax]

1 hour ago, Jamalisms said:

Henry came into his own in late 2018, before Tannehill.

 

Nuh-uh.

 

Yes he did, here's his stats during that time.

 

Stop cherry picking stats by including everything from the period you're discussing!

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At least mix up the joke here by using a Steely Dan album cover or something