reo Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Starkiller said: And if Trump decides his only chance at a win in 2020 is to be a successful wartime president? I don't see how that would help him that much. He doesn't want war. He wants to talk tough. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, reo said: I don't see how that would help him that much. He doesn't want war. He wants to talk tough. He wants to win an election... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Starkiller said: He wants to win an election... Yeah but I don't think starting a war wins the election. He's also banking on Putin's help again to win the election. I don't think war with Iran gets him that. Talking/looking tough though might be beneficial. This seems to scream Pompeo and Bolton to me. Trump is all about perception, not action. Trump has been pretty quiet on it... or I just haven't heard what he's said bc i tuned him out ages ago.... Edited June 15, 2019 by reo MadMax, and OILERMAN 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Starkiller said: He wants to win an election... Look at it this way... To me this feels very similar to the Bush/Cheney justifications for going into Iraq. It's very old guard. Find a reason even if you have to fudge some things. Then use that as justification. That's why I say it feels like Pompeo and Bolton. They're sort of old guard warmongers especially Bolton. Trump doesn't do that. If he wanted war with Iran he'd spend weeks building a perception that they're bad with endless tweets and surrogates on Fox and other shows to build that perception. He wouldn't bother finding some reason to do it. He'd just lie about it endlessly and then just do it. That doesn't seem to be happening yet. Things could change but it's not happening atm at least not to the degree that it would be happening. That's why I say it feels like Pompeo and Bolton. Combine that with Trump being a talker, not a doer and that (I believe) Russia is an ally with Iran and it doesn't seem like Trump is looking for war just yet. I think Pompeo and Bolton are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, reo said: Combine that with Trump being a talker, not a doer ... You mean like saying there's a red line and then not doing anything? Little Earl 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 5:37 AM, ctm said: You'd think the US would have satellite imagery that shows what happened unless someone clandestinely placed mines in the area. They are saying the Iran Revolutionary Guard was videoed removing a limpet bomb from the damaged ship after it was discovered by the ship's crew, at which point they abandoned ship. Then the IRG showed up in a boat and removed the magnetic explosive. There are also reports from the shipping company that owned the ship that say that it was a flying object that struck the ship and caused the explosion. With all the tensions between countries in the middle east, it could very well be enemy nations trying to make their adversaries look bad and suffer consequences from their allies. I haven't seen anything published that would make me definitively say it had to be Iran. I think if anything, it's likely Trump trying to shore up his declining performance ratings right before the next election. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/world/middleeast/oil-tanker-attack-gulf-oman.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-navy-releases-video-of-iran-removing-unexploded-bomb-from-oil-tanker Trump2020 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 hour ago, freakingeek said: They are saying the Iran Revolutionary Guard was videoed removing a limpet bomb from the damaged ship after it was discovered by the ship's crew, at which point they abandoned ship. Then the IRG showed up in a boat and removed the magnetic explosive. There are also reports from the shipping company that owned the ship that say that it was a flying object that struck the ship and caused the explosion. With all the tensions between countries in the middle east, it could very well be enemy nations trying to make their adversaries look bad and suffer consequences from their allies. I haven't seen anything published that would make me definitively say it had to be Iran. I think if anything, it's likely Trump trying to shore up his declining performance ratings right before the next election. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/world/middleeast/oil-tanker-attack-gulf-oman.html https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-navy-releases-video-of-iran-removing-unexploded-bomb-from-oil-tanker I don't think that type of deception is his style. He's more of a blatant liar that believes if you say something often enough and loud enough that people will believe it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollop Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 4 hours ago, TennesseeTuxedo said: The poor flakes think that Trump is going to do the same things that past president, who were under the influence of the alphabet agencies and beholden to the military complex, did when they were in office. Past presidents would have invaded Iran and make it their next Iraq, by now. Trump is busy re-watching last weeks fox and friends. We should get a response next week after his aids bug him enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 Going to war with Iran would be political suicide, he's not going to war with Iran reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 One of the things I do like about Trump is that he isn't eager for a war, the opposite really. We're not going to war over an attack on a foreign ship. Justafan, and Mythos27 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOAT9 Posted June 15, 2019 Report Share Posted June 15, 2019 18 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I wouldn’t think so either, but if you read the account of the captain, he was pretty adamant about it. He said directly he thought the US was wrong and that he and his crew saw something flying in the air. If it was a mine it was a sticky mine (for lack of better vernacular). Which is quite possible. The Iranians have been known to do this. I still don’t see how our intelligence was immediately blaming the Iranian Government for it without even so much as inspecting it. If that is a missile or a mine, then it is a really small one. From here that looks like damage from a projectile to me. It needs towed in and damage inspected. That will tell everyone what they need to know. IsntLifeFunny, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 We were already involved in Vietnam before the Gulf of Tonkin, and that involved US naval vessels; anyone wanting to go to war over this involving merchant ships that aren't even ours is insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denali Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 11:08 PM, oldschool said: It doesnt make sense. Iran has everything to lose. Has to be a rogue element right? Yeah. Iran is a peaceful humanitarian country. Such a shame that bad few apples have to ruin it for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted June 20, 2019 Report Share Posted June 20, 2019 Iran shot down an American drone. Both sides disagree on whether it was in international airspace or had entered Iranian airspace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former_Fan Posted June 21, 2019 Report Share Posted June 21, 2019 11 hours ago, Starkiller said: Iran shot down an American drone. Both sides disagree on whether it was in international airspace or had entered Iranian airspace. Regardless, this is a major escalation deserving of a US response, measured of course. I imagine the offending missile launch site will be gone in the next few days at a minimum. This was a 130M drone that posed no risk to them and they know it. Iran is seeing how far they can push us before we respond and they are about to get their answer. One more act of provocation by Iran will likely result in a significant retaliatory strike by US forces. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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