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Just to add to the sticky mine scenario, that would mean forces went directly up to the boat. I’m sure you all caught what I was saying, but it’s an important distinction. I just can’t see that happening, but if it wasn’t a missile then it was a  mine someone placed on the hull. That picture is clear. A regular mine doesn’t do that type of damage. It’s an interesting situation. 

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The poor flakes think that Trump is going to do the same things that past president, who were under the influence of the alphabet agencies and beholden to the military complex, did when they were in office.

 

Past presidents would have invaded Iran and make it their next Iraq, by now.

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On 6/13/2019 at 7:49 PM, tgo said:

Yeah. Would be a death knell to any election chances.

 

Then again, maybe he would see it as a needed distraction.

Trump doesn't want a war but he would like any opportunity to talk tough and do nothing. 

 

Pompeo and Bolton however want a war with Iran.. so do the Saudis and Israelis. 

 

Russia won't though so from a political standpoint it could get interesting for Trump. He wants to make the Saudis happy but he doesn't want to piss off Putin and we all know Trump isn't exactly a deep thinker. I'm not sure of Russia's exact stance on Iran but I know they're both allies with Syria so I figure they're cozy.

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15 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

And if Trump decides his only chance at a win in 2020 is to be a successful wartime president?

I don't see how that would help him that much. He doesn't want war. He wants to talk tough. 

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Just now, reo said:

I don't see how that would help him that much. He doesn't want war. He wants to talk tough. 

He wants to win an election...

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4 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

He wants to win an election...

Yeah but I don't think starting a war wins the election. He's also banking on Putin's help again to win the election. I don't think war with Iran gets him that.

 

Talking/looking tough though might be beneficial. 

 

This seems to scream Pompeo and Bolton to me. Trump is all about perception, not action.

 

Trump has been pretty quiet on it... or I just haven't heard what he's said bc i tuned him out ages ago....

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12 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

He wants to win an election...

Look at it this way...

 

To me this feels very similar to the Bush/Cheney justifications for going into Iraq. It's very old guard. Find a reason even if you have to fudge some things. Then use that as justification. That's why I say it feels like Pompeo and Bolton. They're sort of old guard warmongers especially Bolton.

 

Trump doesn't do that. If he wanted war with Iran he'd spend weeks building a perception that they're bad with endless tweets and surrogates on Fox and other shows to build that perception. He wouldn't bother finding some reason to do it. He'd just lie about it endlessly and then just do it.

 

That doesn't seem to be happening yet. Things could change but it's not happening atm at least not to the degree that it would be happening. 

 

That's why I say it feels like Pompeo and Bolton. Combine that with Trump being a talker, not a doer and that (I believe) Russia is an ally with Iran and it doesn't seem like Trump is looking for war just yet. I think Pompeo and Bolton are.

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On 6/14/2019 at 5:37 AM, ctm said:

You'd think the US would have satellite imagery that shows what happened unless someone clandestinely placed mines in the area.

They are saying the Iran Revolutionary Guard was videoed removing a limpet bomb from the damaged ship after it was discovered by the ship's crew, at which point they abandoned ship. Then the IRG showed up in a boat and removed the magnetic explosive. There are also reports from the shipping company that owned the ship that say that it was a flying object that struck the ship and caused the explosion. With all the tensions between countries in the middle east,  it could very well be enemy nations trying to make their adversaries look bad and suffer consequences from their allies. I haven't seen anything published that would make me definitively say it had to be Iran. I think if anything, it's likely Trump trying to shore up his declining performance ratings right before the next election.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/world/middleeast/oil-tanker-attack-gulf-oman.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-navy-releases-video-of-iran-removing-unexploded-bomb-from-oil-tanker

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1 hour ago, freakingeek said:

They are saying the Iran Revolutionary Guard was videoed removing a limpet bomb from the damaged ship after it was discovered by the ship's crew, at which point they abandoned ship. Then the IRG showed up in a boat and removed the magnetic explosive. There are also reports from the shipping company that owned the ship that say that it was a flying object that struck the ship and caused the explosion. With all the tensions between countries in the middle east,  it could very well be enemy nations trying to make their adversaries look bad and suffer consequences from their allies. I haven't seen anything published that would make me definitively say it had to be Iran. I think if anything, it's likely Trump trying to shore up his declining performance ratings right before the next election.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/world/middleeast/oil-tanker-attack-gulf-oman.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-navy-releases-video-of-iran-removing-unexploded-bomb-from-oil-tanker

I don't think that type of deception is his style. He's more of a blatant liar that believes if you say something often enough and loud enough that people will believe it.

 

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4 hours ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

The poor flakes think that Trump is going to do the same things that past president, who were under the influence of the alphabet agencies and beholden to the military complex, did when they were in office.

 

Past presidents would have invaded Iran and make it their next Iraq, by now.

Trump is busy re-watching last weeks fox and friends.  We should get a response next week after his aids bug him enough.

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Going to war with Iran would be political suicide, he's not going to war with Iran

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1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

Going to war with Iran would be political suicide, he's not going to war with Iran

Thought you liked letting sheep be sheep?

 

Let them enjoy it...

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