Alcibiades

Here's the thing. I don't CHEER for the Titans to lose. Once they are out of contention and clearly need more talent (like it's not scheme...it's players), I want them to get a higher draft pick. If they could do that while winning every game (i.e. every other team wins too or whatever), I'd love that! That seems unlikely. So, when I say I want them to lose, I really want them to have a higher pick. However, I'm not upset if they don't. I like seeing the team win, for sure. I like seeing good play, not bad play, especially from my own team. But this season is lost. I want to see good play that comes up a bit short for the higher draft pick. Unfortunately, that's the best way to get a better future in this league.

Simmons got 1.5 in this game. Garrett got 1. Our guy is better. Definitive proof! But seriously, Simmons was wrecking things until we went prevent. He looked unstoppable. Gray got another 7 tackles (and a couple of costly penalties in the final quarter). Oh, and a fumble recovery.

I didn't say he was good. I just gave the stats. The Ravens won't make the playoffs without Lamar, period.

He got 94...so I guess he did it! Meanwhile, our starting RB just broke 100 for the first time this season. He may not get to 1k yards.

I'm going to rank each one in different categories before answering. Leadership, dependability, and explosive plays. The second is a combo of not getting injured AND getting first downs to keep chains moving. EG: Leadership - 1st; Dependability- 1st; explosive- 3rd CJ: Leadership- 3rd (5th???); Dependability- 3rd; explosive- 1st (but Henry is close..just different) DH: Leadership- 2nd; Dependability- 2nd; explosive- 2nd When I add these up and go with the lowest total, it's EG. He was a face of the franchise and the most steady of the three. CJ and DH would kill drives sometimes with negative plays. EG almost never got negative plays. He was a solid 3+ and a cloud of dust type runner. That's more valuable than people realize. He made others want to play harder. Henry is second on my list and I enjoyed watching him and CJ more than George. But when we needed a first down, George was the guy. It's that simple for me.

The escalators were absolutely added by the Ravens as a way to sweeten the deal. It was the best Borg could do. We will get a 5th, OR if they make the playoffs, we will get that 4th. At the time he made the deal, the Ravens looked awful. They did NOT look like a playoff team. The fact that they still might squeak in is a miracle by itself. Borg was not counting on it. If they do, great. If not, we got what we could for a guy that wasn't going to be on our team next year anyway.

I feel sorry for Commanders fans. They went to the conference championship last year. Then, they started 3-2 this year and have lost every game since! Ouch! Here's what I want to see---Raiders beat Giants, and Giants beat Vikings. Titans lose out.

nine and I are spitting facts right now. So, it's time for Oman to come in and shit on our faces. Sorry, mixed up my fantasies with my commentary....

I know we want the extra picks from a trade down, but we are guaranteed a TOP player at this point. We'll be in the top 5 picks, almost certainly. Our rookies are growing up every week, which is great to see. We NEED to hit on our first round pick this year. Having extra would help, but if we hit on an Edge, OT, or top WR (IDK who is worthy of our pick...these are just big needs we have), that can absolutely boost this team. Imagine having a Miles Garrett type player next to Simmons. As an aside, I thought our rookie LT played as well as Moore did. I'm not saying he should be our starter next year...just sayin. Edited to add: As a reminder, the Giants and Raiders play each other on the 28th. One of them will win another game. If we lose out, we will be in the top 2 picks still...can therefore still trade down.

You mean because our losing means the other team got a win? Well, that would apply to all the teams with the same record, wouldn't it? I'm not sure it would change anything.

It doesn't matter. Unless something changes with the draft (unlikely), he's our starting RT for next year as well. I just hope we can find a starting LT worth a damn. OLs take time to gel, and they tend to be better the more time they play together. SOME of our OL problem is communication, and some is people getting beat. The former is fixable. The latter...let's hope they develop, I guess.

This is what bugs me though. I knew he had suspect lateral movement...hence, the guard talk. But I thought he was at least stout. I thought he was the guy that if the DID lock on, it was over. The bull rush he gave up yesterday was hard to watch.

No. I said a doctor.

A friend of a friend's doctor's wife said the injury to his leg is probably fatal. It could take a week or so, but it will get him eventually. Tough break for the rookie.

People who post on internet forums these days are mostly old. I'm sure a younger poster will come along to contradict me, but I'm talking about averages here. At 51, I'm young for this crowd. I've only followed since 2000 or so, when I picked the Titans for my NFL2k team, since I lived near Nashville. Didn't even know the SB and that I had picked a good team for the game. I wasn't even watching the NFL at that point. Then became a super fan, like everyone else here. In the last 25 years, this is the worst team. BUT, I do think Ward will be the guy. He looked bad today, but he also had zero help. He's throwing to rookies. He's got the worst OL I've ever seen. His RBs do nothing to help him (again, OL). We have like 3 non-rookies that I trust to be the answer. Simmons (obviously), Skironski (spelling?), and Gray. I do like Dike and Helm a lot. In fact, it was a good draft this year. But you can't rely on rookies to win games when none of the vets are helping. Simmons's comments about leadership are interesting. He told the announcers he believes in the vision and wants to stay. But he also says we have a bad culture. Ummm...what?

Except we also need a pass rusher, and you can get OL in the second round (RT anyway). But whatever. Get the first overall. Trade down to 4 and 19 (or whatever Cleveland will give us). Go BPA at 4 and need at 19. Get the top Edge and an OT. Get gud.

I'm kinda scared we might beat the Jags. We shouldn't...but after how we just played, and the fact that the Jags are a VERY inconsistent team. I'm worried we might take one. I do want to see this team learn to win, but I really really want that top pick for trade leverage.

Frank Gore had 16k yards?? Amazing. Remember his injury at Miami? Looked like he might never play again. Instead, he ends up an all-time rush yardage guy. Impressively long career.

It just takes time. Ward has been good at every level, and he's kind of a late bloomer anyway (in the sense that he didn't get to Miami right away...he earned his way there). No one will outwork him. That's HUGE. People throw around 'you can't coach that!' too much, but in this case, it's true. You can't coach willpower and desire. He has it as much as anyone. He's a rookie on a bad team, surrounded by below average players (some of whom will grow with him and hopefully become above average players...Helm seems especially intriguing to me, and Dike of course). There was no way he was going to look good the first half of the season. Everything was against him, and he was learning the transition. I'm honestly surprised he's playing this well this quickly, especially against Houston and Seattle. If he looks decent against the Browns (who honestly might have the best def in the league...their offense hides that), then that's even better. But even if he doesn't, he's grown by leaps.

The thing is, even if we drop down to pick 4 or 5, we still get an amazing player. We don't need a QB. We would miss out on the trade down, which will hurt. But we'd still get basically the same guy. Obviously, we want the extra draft capital, but winning one more game could be good for the team. I'm hoping for the rest of the season to be just like today. We look good, but sadly lose (sadly...sadly....) .

Honestly, Dike might be my favorite offensive player on the team right now. I know there aren't a lot to choose from, but still. It's just fun to watch him play.

Yes....but I think Mills was 16/30. So, he wasn't good. But yeah...better than Stroud has played this year.

This thread isn't about your college girlfriend. On topic, if Restrepo doesn't get a shot in the next few weeks, with all the injuries we have, he may as well be cut.

I can't imagine Lafleur loses his job. I think we are looking at the Salehs and Dabbols of the league (I don't care how to spell any of these names). Or we could keep McCoy. JK. We are likely to get one of these failed HCs, I would think. But remember that Vrabel was a failed HC when the Patriots hired him. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery. Our team is bad because of the GM. We have hopefully fixed that problem. Whoever comes in gets a chance to build a team from scratch, with a top pick and a good, young QB already on the team. It's an attractive job, IMO. A team that can only get better...like literally historically bad. It can only go up.

Restrepo wouldn't have gotten close to the ball. He'd still be five yards back. Anyway, I thought they elevated Proche for this week, which makes sense. That guy has lots of potential. I'm fine with putting Restrepo out there, especially if Dike can't go. I mean we are down to our bottom WRs. If you are being paid for WR right now, and you are healthy, you should be on the field.