titanruss Posted Thursday at 04:37 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:37 PM 23 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: I don’t think the Daboll offense really exists because it’s looked different wherever he’s been. They seem to be doing way more 12 personnel and under centre stuff than he’s typically been known for Saleh said 1 thing yesterday that seems to remain to be true - that the route runners are interchangeable in this offense. To counter that, some local guys have said that so far, piece dont seem to be swapping around so much. So seems like what he wants to do and what we are currently doing arent lining up yet. Maybe its a development process. Maybe its growth or league trend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted Thursday at 05:01 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:01 PM 2 hours ago, titanruss said: Those guys are mirroring what several of us said when we hired Daboll. That the offense isnt the perfect fit for Cam and Doboll is a nujob. Its not a bad system, just not ideal. Its not innovative, but it at least is run by a guy that can scheme. It can work as long as he doesnt force Cam to run too much and opens the playbook. It will help him with presnap motions and such, but it will hold him back as well. Doboll and the OL are my biggest question marks going into the season. Other than dealing with more inconsistency, I really don't get why people are scared to lose him or think he will get stolen quickly even if Cam has a breakout season. McDaniel was the dream hire. Spread em out, timing, scheme genius, Cam could add arm and improvisation talent that he hasnt had in a while, etc. Clearly Herbert and a Harbaugh off a playoff push is a better feeling situation than a rebuilding Titans.. but hopefully there wasnt something in Cam that McDaniel didnt like. What is this all of the sudden revisioning that Daboll's offense doesn't fit Cam? Isn't McDaniel's offense supposedly a lot more rigid, like Callahan's, and not very conducive to Cam's freestyling tendencies? That's what I thought was supposed to be so great about Daboll's, is that it was more of a fit. Was that just cope because we didn't get McDaniel or what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted Thursday at 05:25 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:25 PM 1 hour ago, TF_Titan said: I hope the offense succeeds massively and Daboll is the hottest HC candidate out there. That's the ideal scenario. That's the ideal scenario for Daboll and this season being a "success". Thats not the ideal scenario for Cam Ward and our offense long term. We constantly see young QBs struggle going from offensive scheme to offensive scheme. This is a downside to having a defensive minded coach. I hope the offense succeeds as well but that success is a double edged sword. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted Thursday at 05:47 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:47 PM 11 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: That's the ideal scenario for Daboll and this season being a "success". Thats not the ideal scenario for Cam Ward and our offense long term. We constantly see young QBs struggle going from offensive scheme to offensive scheme. This is a downside to having a defensive minded coach. I hope the offense succeeds as well but that success is a double edged sword. It's ideal because the only thing that really matters is for Ward to pan out. If that happens I don't care who the OC is. You'd rather have a lackluster offense with questions about Ward left unanswered just so we get the keep the OC and his system? I don't buy the downside of a defensive minded head coach. First of all a strong defense is a huge asset to a young QB because he's not constantly put in a position to have to score 30 points a game to win. Secondly, if the OC shits the bed you can just replace him without having to fire the entire coaching staff and start from scratch like the Titans just had to do. I'm not against continuity, but not just for the sake of continuity. And what's more important than continuity is having a stud at QB. If Ward turns out to be that top OC candidates will be lining up outside Vanderbilt Health Football Center. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted Thursday at 05:54 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:54 PM 50 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: What is this all of the sudden revisioning that Daboll's offense doesn't fit Cam? Isn't McDaniel's offense supposedly a lot more rigid, like Callahan's, and not very conducive to Cam's freestyling tendencies? That's what I thought was supposed to be so great about Daboll's, is that it was more of a fit. Was that just cope because we didn't get McDaniel or what? No, the EP offense fits. Dabolls motions fit. The version of his offense where he wants to run the QB 6x a game and has a simplified version doesn't. I think that was always said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted Thursday at 05:56 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 05:56 PM 2 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It's been interesting watching a lot of the fan base turn against Daboll because of one bad performance in a preseason game from Ward. I was gonna write the exact same thing but didn’t want to copy you lol. But Ward throws five or six bad passes and has a bad play deep in his own territory and now all of a sudden the OC was a bad hire. You can’t make this stuff up. IsntLifeFunny, and japan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted Thursday at 06:04 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:04 PM We won't know shit until the regular season. The practice "stats" (lol) and reports have been promising and suggest Ward has improved as a passer. More than a winning season, I'm just hoping to see a glimmer of hope from this offense. titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted Thursday at 06:15 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:15 PM People freaked out because Ward left the pocket too early 2-3 times and was throwing way off timed. More than last year and it looked like a regression. I dont think anything matters at all until the reg season but I understand the "uh-oh"s. Making a hard line stance right now is silly though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted Thursday at 06:26 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:26 PM (edited) 39 minutes ago, TF_Titan said: It's ideal because the only thing that really matters is for Ward to pan out. If that happens I don't care who the OC is. You'd rather have a lackluster offense with questions about Ward left unanswered just so we get the keep the OC and his system? I don't buy the downside of a defensive minded head coach. First of all a strong defense is a huge asset to a young QB because he's not constantly put in a position to have to score 30 points a game to win. Secondly, if the OC shits the bed you can just replace him without having to fire the entire coaching staff and start from scratch like the Titans just had to do. I'm not against continuity, but not just for the sake of continuity. And what's more important than continuity is having a stud at QB. If Ward turns out to be that top OC candidates will be lining up outside Vanderbilt Health Football Center. One season of offensive success doesn't mean Ward pans out. If Daboll is gone after 1 year, that hurts Wards development. We already missed out on the oppurtunity to set ourselves up with a great continuity option for the offensive system. Daboll was not a hire for long term success. Sure hopefully it works out short term. I pointed out that I thought we made a mistake not hiring an OC from a coaching tree that has coordinators, qb coaches, quality control assistants getting promotions every single year. We went for an OC that had us on hold as he was still involved in HC interviews. Daboll has one foot out the door already. As I said, success is a double edged sword. Continuous turnover of offensive scheme does not help a QBs development. This was how I felt when we hired Daboll as well and has nothing to do with 1 preseason game. Edited Thursday at 06:27 PM by CaliTitan3518 oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted Thursday at 07:06 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:06 PM 38 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: One season of offensive success doesn't mean Ward pans out. If the offense is so good that Daboll gets snatched up for an open HC position then I like Ward's chances. oldschool, and TerryBoats 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted Thursday at 07:21 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:21 PM 53 minutes ago, CaliTitan3518 said: One season of offensive success doesn't mean Ward pans out. If Daboll is gone after 1 year, that hurts Wards development. We already missed out on the oppurtunity to set ourselves up with a great continuity option for the offensive system. Daboll was not a hire for long term success. Sure hopefully it works out short term. I pointed out that I thought we made a mistake not hiring an OC from a coaching tree that has coordinators, qb coaches, quality control assistants getting promotions every single year. We went for an OC that had us on hold as he was still involved in HC interviews. Daboll has one foot out the door already. As I said, success is a double edged sword. Continuous turnover of offensive scheme does not help a QBs development. This was how I felt when we hired Daboll as well and has nothing to do with 1 preseason game. Daboll isn't going anywhere. We can only dream that Ward and the offense are as good as J Daniels and the Washington offense were in 2024, yet teams weren't rushing to give Kingsbury a HC job again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted Thursday at 07:23 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:23 PM 1 minute ago, TerryBoats said: Daboll isn't going anywhere. We can only dream that Ward and the offense are as good as J Daniels and the Washington offense were in 2024, yet teams weren't rushing to give Kingsbury a HC job again. Kingsbury was denying HC interviews after the 2024 season... Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted Thursday at 07:30 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:30 PM The best OC that Cam has ever gotten to work with until this point is Shannon Dawson. Dawson is very similar to Daboll in he will get all over Ward when necessary, challenge him, while also putting him in a position to succeed IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted Thursday at 07:32 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:32 PM This whole conversation is more premature than a 13 year old's boner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo59 Posted Thursday at 07:47 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:47 PM If you cannot do it in practice it is unlikely to be done on Sundays. ----Joe Montana Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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