Titans Offseason Discussion Thread

[OILERMAN]

28 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

Sweat played better than his reputation. Even though the Titans may not have liked his work ethic or preparation, the scheme change is the biggest reason why he was traded.

 

This is 100%

 

Also Sweat is playing on a cheaper longer term deal vs JJ on the 5th year option for one year

[Strunk'sDessert]

5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

This is 100%

 

Also Sweat is playing on a cheaper longer term deal vs JJ on the 5th year option for one year

 

Agree with what @NashvilleNinjasaid while also agreeing that the Jets probably made out slightly better in the deal. However, if a scheme change only loses you a young, promising, albeit over-drafted, NT from the previous regime while netting decent edge defender for a year with an inside track to keep him if he returns to his previous performances, it's pretty hard to say the Titans brass got screwed without sounding incredibly nitpicky. Only time will tell, though. 

[OILERMAN]

 

[oldschool]

2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

It's pretty much universal in the NFL media the Jets got the better end of the Sweat trade

 

 

 

people really want Sweat to be something he's not for some reason and I don't get it. 

[OILERMAN]

35 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

people really want Sweat to be something he's not for some reason and I don't get it. 

 

Mainly Titan fans did. I heard PK talk non stop about him needing to be able to rush the passer on 3rd down.... That's not what he was intended to be

 

He was very good at what he was drafted to be. He had work ethic and conditioning problems. 

[begooode]

3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

He was very good at what he was drafted to be. He had work ethic and conditioning problems. 

 

To add to this, Sweat had those issues coming into the league and the Titans thought that he could be coached up and out of that mindset, esp with Big Jeff in his ear, too. Sweat had some success and refused to change his approach. So the Titans had real experience to see that Sweat is not a team-guy and where this was likely headed -- poor work ethic and conditioning for +330lbs guys generally plays out poorly longer term, primarily in availability and even play effectiveness, if his head wasn't straight.

 

With this kind of baggage, what could the Titans get for him?  A fifth/sixth on draft day, maybe a 2027 fourth?  All speculation, but at this point the Titans were making a scheme change as well and did okay; and I'm obviously hopeful that Saleh's guy will do well on his way to getting his next contract.

Edited Sunday at 06:14 PM by begooode

[IrishTitansFan]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Mainly Titan fans did. I heard PK talk non stop about him needing to be able to rush the passer on 3rd down.... That's not what he was intended to be

 

He was very good at what he was drafted to be. He had work ethic and conditioning problems. 

If that’s what they wanted when they drafted him it makes it a terrible draft decision

 

The whole thing with Sweat coming out was that he didn’t even play full nose in college, he had more snaps at 3T. that was the only reason people weren’t going crazy that they drafted a NT so high

 

He was always a 2 down player in the end and they are not near as valuable as an edge rusher who can start for you no matter the salary

[Justafan]

2 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said:

If that’s what they wanted when they drafted him it makes it a terrible draft decision

 

The whole thing with Sweat coming out was that he didn’t even play full nose in college, he had more snaps at 3T. that was the only reason people weren’t going crazy that they drafted a NT so high

 

He was always a 2 down player in the end and they are not near as valuable as an edge rusher who can start for you no matter the salary

Exactly. You should be able to find a run-stuffing DT in UDFA. It's not a position you spend a 2nd on... especially when teams are offering you nice packages to trade up. 

[NashvilleNinja]

13 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Exactly. You should be able to find a run-stuffing DT in UDFA. It's not a position you spend a 2nd on... especially when teams are offering you nice packages to trade up. 

 

You see why Carthon makes a living talking about other people making these decisions now. Sweat is good for what he offers, but in no way was he worth the pick Carthon spent drafting him even without any trade offers.

[Callidus]

3 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

people really want Sweat to be something he's not for some reason and I don't get it. 

For a 2nd round pick nose tackle you need more than a really good run defender. You can find those in the 6th round-udfa. We did it 3 times in a row before ran drafted him. 

[oldschool]

5 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Mainly Titan fans did. I heard PK talk non stop about him needing to be able to rush the passer on 3rd down.... That's not what he was intended to be

 

He was very good at what he was drafted to be. He had work ethic and conditioning problems. 

 

His draft slot means he had to be able to rush the passer, thats the whole point. The ROI was not good.

[titanruss]

1 minute ago, oldschool said:

 

His draft slot means he had to be able to rush the passer, thats the whole point. The ROI was not good.

 

I thought there was some metrics showing he was a pretty good pass rusher last year when healthy. 

[Callidus]

1 hour ago, titanruss said:

 

I thought there was some metrics showing he was a pretty good pass rusher last year when healthy. 

Oddly enough the tic tac titan guy had a stat on the pass the rush when he was on the field and it was something like only 15% of pressures happened on pass plays where he was on the field even though he played about 35% of them. Not sure where to find the exact quote though. Someone posted it on here months ago. 

 

Sweat had a pressure rate of 9% and pass rush win rate of 6.5% which are both ok but nothing special.  

Edited Sunday at 09:49 PM by Callidus

[Pragidealist]

9 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

This 1000%

[AussieTitanFan08]