The Athletic Football Show breaks down The offensive environment Ward is going to/2024 offensive scheme breakdown

[TerryBoats]

7 hours ago, CreepingDeath said:

How long does it take a team to learn a new offense?  A new offense with a terrible OL, shit QBs and Tyler Boyd at WR1?

How an offense performs under the same personnel and different coaches is usually an indicator of the quality of the coaches.  The offense was bottom 5 the following year even after the addition of Burrow and Higgins (still bottom 8 before Burrow was injured).  

 

As I've stated before, the Taylor/Callahan systems have produced more bottom 5 offenses than top 5 (0)

[Mythos27]

The fact that many on here watched the games last season and came away thinking that Callahan was a major problem speaks to just how off-base most fans are regarding what coaching can do. People still have this idea that a "good coach" can somehow have severe talent deficits at key positions and still produce decent offense and that's just not the case.

 

If you hear what Callahan says and what he tries to do on the field before having to resort to putting out fires, it's beyond obvious he knows what he's doing. The shit he was saddled with last season was simply insurmountable. And btw, the roster under Vrabel was even worse which is borderline incomprehensible. Unless Ward has a Jayden Daniels-like effect, this roster is still like 2 years away from being a real contender. 

[OILERMAN]

4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

The fact that many on here watched the games last season and came away thinking that Callahan was a major problem speaks to just how off-base most fans are regarding what coaching can do.

 

The impact of talent over coaching is severely underrated by the fans. I could list a million examples starting with Belichich. Anyone even attempting to judge Callahan's offensive ability from last season is wasting air. It's failing so it's someone's fault!

 

Shanahan is one of the best offensive minds in the league. Check this out. 

 

Trent Williams is the best OL in the league, he's been injured the last few years. In games Williams was injured in or missed the 9ers are 4-12 in the last 16 he's missed. In 2023 in games with Williams Purdy threw 28 TDs and 2 INTs. Without Williams Purdy threw 3 TDs and 9 INTs. Their rushing attack averages a full yard per carry less without him, McCaffery's yards before contact is like 1.5 yards less without him. 

 

That's what missing one good player does to a great offensive mind and loaded offensive roster. 

[scine09]

George Seifert won two Super Bowls and also went 1-15 eight years after the second one.  It’s mostly talent.  Coaching can only do so much.  I’ve read before that coaching has a 0.5 difference in the win/loss record.

[japan]

55 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

The fact that many on here watched the games last season and came away thinking that Callahan was a major problem speaks to just how off-base most fans are regarding what coaching can do. People still have this idea that a "good coach" can somehow have severe talent deficits at key positions and still produce decent offense and that's just not the case.

 

If you hear what Callahan says and what he tries to do on the field before having to resort to putting out fires, it's beyond obvious he knows what he's doing. The shit he was saddled with last season was simply insurmountable. And btw, the roster under Vrabel was even worse which is borderline incomprehensible. Unless Ward has a Jayden Daniels-like effect, this roster is still like 2 years away from being a real contender. 

Jury is out on Callahan. While I did like his offense early on when he was scheming guys open, that was about all there was to like. He really struggled as a play caller and definitely took on way too much.  If he was smart he’d offload the coordinating but he’s not doing that. His dad underperformed also, as the left side of the line severely underperformed and that was the ‘good, high draft pick’ side.  The Callahan reputation rehab tour going on here is interesting to say the least…

Edited May 18 by japan

[Nash]

When your qb (Levis) was picked for play action deeper routes, but your offensive line and scheme are set up for short quick passing, you have a problem.. losing Cushenberry didn’t help either.. so Moore was brought in for LT, Latham moved to RT, Zeigler replaces Radunz and we hope Cushenberry is recovered . Only Skoronski is the same as most of last season, and I thought he was solid there.. we have some reasonable depth at interior offensive line, and Duncan and a UDFA at tackle for depth.. At least on paper we should be functional on line this year and I pray we stay healthy there.. 

[OILERMAN]

31 minutes ago, japan said:

Jury is out on Callahan. While I did like his offense early on when he was scheming guys open, that was about all there was to like. He really struggled as a play caller and definitely took on way too much.  If he was smart he’d offload the coordinating but he’s not doing that. His dad underperformed also, as the left side of the line severely underperformed and that was the ‘good, high draft pick’ side.  The Callahan reputation rehab tour going on here is interesting to say the least…

 

So you come in here and literally start saying all the things that everyone just said a fan is guilty of?

 

He was hired to design the offense and call plays, why would they off load that? 

 

And the jury isn't out. If the talent improves and Ward plays well the coaches will suddenly look smart. 

[OILERMAN]

Remember the first 6 games under Arthur Smith with Mariota? He's in over his head, he never should have gotten the job etc....

 

Tannehill comes in and light it up. 

 

Arthur Smith is great, he gets a head coaching job, then fired and looks like a total retard ever since. Titans can't afford to lose him!

[japan]

11 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

So you come in here and literally start saying all the things that everyone just said a fan is guilty of?

 

He was hired to design the offense and call plays, why would they off load that? 

 

And the jury isn't out. If the talent improves and Ward plays well the coaches will suddenly look smart. 

Sorry. For me the jury is out. He didn’t pass the eye test last year. Simple as that. I’d like to be wrong….

Edited May 18 by japan

[Pragidealist]

1 hour ago, japan said:

Jury is out on Callahan. While I did like his offense early on when he was scheming guys open, that was about all there was to like. He really struggled as a play caller and definitely took on way too much.  If he was smart he’d offload the coordinating but he’s not doing that. His dad underperformed also, as the left side of the line severely underperformed and that was the ‘good, high draft pick’ side.  The Callahan reputation rehab tour going on here is interesting to say the least…

This says you're missing the point.  I get some skepticism on BC.   He has some gaps in his resume that allows ppl to question..   His dad is the top Oline coach in the league.  He's proven that in multiple stops.  IF he's "underperforming" then its pretty safe to say its a talent issue. 

[Starkiller]

1 hour ago, japan said:

Sorry. For me the jury is out. He didn’t pass the eye test last year. Simple as that. I’d like to be wrong….

The jury is out on every young coach who hasn’t won yet

[NashvilleNinja]

1 hour ago, japan said:

Sorry. For me the jury is out. He didn’t pass the eye test last year. Simple as that. I’d like to be wrong….

 

What eye test? Not wearing the right Titans polo? Not fat enough yet? Not pissed off enough about bad ref calls or too pissed off? The crying?

[BudsOilers]

Callahan definitely showed some rookie coach things but people forget that Vrabel and Fisher did too back in the day.  
 

That being said, it’s pretty clear what Brinker thought. They made a bunch of changes on the personnel management side, the only changes on the coaching staff were on special teams, and they’ve made a ton of changes to the roster.  There have been no staff changes aside from adding Mike McCoy as a senior assistant on the offense.
 

Personnel wise on offense, you’re gonna see new starters at quarterback, wide receiver, and three slots on the offensive line. That’s a pretty decent overhaul.

 

Defensively, they’ve added about four new starters.  On special teams, they have a brand new kicker and punter, and are likely to have a new return guy.

 

It’s pretty damn clear to me that the team saw the main issues being personnel and who is picking the personnel more so than coaching.

Edited May 18 by BudsOilers

[freakingeek]

On 5/15/2025 at 6:17 AM, OILERMAN said:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lingering-questions-part-1-the-titans-offensive/id1528622068?i=1000708555744

Latham had problems transitioning to LT in pass pro. They gushed about Latham's run blocking. The right side was a disaster. They pointed out even on well called screens when the OL would get a number advantage multiple OL would usually miss blocks. 

Great listen. Thanks for posting. It cracked me up when they said Latham's footwork after switching sides was clumsy and was kind of like trying someone trying to wipe their ass with their left hand.

Edited May 18 by freakingeek

[Mythos27]

9 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

The impact of talent over coaching is severely underrated by the fans. I could list a million examples starting with Belichich. Anyone even attempting to judge Callahan's offensive ability from last season is wasting air. It's failing so it's someone's fault!

 

Shanahan is one of the best offensive minds in the league. Check this out. 

 

Trent Williams is the best OL in the league, he's been injured the last few years. In games Williams was injured in or missed the 9ers are 4-12 in the last 16 he's missed. In 2023 in games with Williams Purdy threw 28 TDs and 2 INTs. Without Williams Purdy threw 3 TDs and 9 INTs. Their rushing attack averages a full yard per carry less without him, McCaffery's yards before contact is like 1.5 yards less without him. 

 

That's what missing one good player does to a great offensive mind and loaded offensive roster. 

And it's so fucking obvious too. You would think that being fans of a team that has lacked talent more often than not would've taught people this. People think coaches are fucking miracle workers. I was also glad to see that they discussed the idea that penalties are not due to a lack of discipline from the coach. That narrative has bothered me for a while now.