Titans WIN race for the 1st overall pick

[Righteous]

3 minutes ago, ctm said:

The discussion digressed from the league requiring teams to interview a minority candidate to the strawman hypothetical of the league requiring M Willis to start.

Of course it did not.  Every job should be given on bases of merit and not a person color or gender.  QB is a job.  Do you want the most qualified person to play QB or do you want the job reserved for a person of color?  I would argue that most would want the best person for the job, regardless of race or gender, if it’s the QB.  Why would the job of coach or GM or architect or teacher be any different?  Why would color be a consideration at all?  And if it is an insult to call someone a DEI hire, then why champion the program at all?  This shit is not that hard to figure out.

[Starkiller]

3 hours ago, Righteous said:

No, we hate any mandate that is not based on merit.  Once again, should the team be forced to start Malik Willis because he is Black?  You can’t play God and try to have an equality of outcomes.  Why do only Blacks need a hand up?  Shouldn’t we strive for an equality of outcomes for Asians and Indians too?  Why does the NFL only promote Black hirings, as opposed to other races? I know, deep down inside you feel that Blacks are inferior and need a hand up to compete.  The funny thing is you can’t figure out who the true racist is.  Black people didn’t ask for AA, DEI or quotas.  Nor do we need them.

If the NFL owners cared about merit in the first place then there would have been no need to institute a Rooney Rule. It was instituted because black candidates got very little opportunity for advancement in a white-dominated field even though a large percentage of the players were black.

[Righteous]

5 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

If the NFL owners cared about merit in the first place then there would have been no need to institute a Rooney Rule. It was instituted because black candidates got very little opportunity for advancement in a white-dominated field even though a large percentage of the players were black.

The Rooney Rule is bullshit.  And I get the premise but it is stupid.  Right now, everyone can tell who the coaches who will get a shot as HC in the NFL.  Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik, Aaron Glenn, etc.  First, you must prove yourself as a coordinator.  When the Rooney Rule started, how many Blacks were coordinators?  Meaning how many were qualified to be coaches?  Because the good one’s got a shot at HC just like the good White coordinators.  They were being hired for their production Ray Rhoads, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, etc.  This was prior to the stupid Rooney Rule.  They got jobs based on merit.  
 

Now you have to interview people who haven’t proven anything.  For example, David Culley.  What did he do to deserve an interview, let alone a job?  And he failed accordingly.  It’s a process.  Even GB’s coach had to call plays before he was given a HC job.  Let the process play out.  We are seeing with Callahan the pain of skipping the process.  With this bullshit hiring for skin color, you are only setting these Blacks up for failure and they will never get another opportunity…because they weren’t ready but it satisfied a social agenda. Ran will never get another chance to be a GM.  He was done no favor.  You all don’t see the other side of your social programs and experiments.

[Starkiller]

3 minutes ago, Righteous said:

The Rooney Rule is bullshit.  And I get the premise but it is stupid.  Right now, everyone can tell who the coaches who will get a shot as HC in the NFL.  Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowik, Aaron Glenn, etc.  First, you must prove yourself as a coordinator.  When the Rooney Rule started, how many Blacks were coordinators?  Meaning how many were qualified to be coaches?  Because the good one’s got a shot at HC just like the good White coordinators.  They were being hired for their production Ray Rhoads, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Dennis Green, etc.  This was prior to the stupid Rooney Rule.  They got jobs based on merit.  
 

Now you have to interview people who haven’t proven anything.  For example, David Culley.  What did he do to deserve an interview, let alone a job?  And he failed accordingly.  It’s a process.  Even GB’s coach had to call plays before he was given a HC job.  Let the process play out.  We are seeing with Callahan the pain of skipping the process.  With this bullshit hiring for skin color, you are only setting these Blacks up for failure and they will never get another opportunity…because they weren’t ready but it satisfied a social agenda. Ran will never get another chance to be a GM.  He was done no favor.  You all don’t see the other side of your social programs and experiments.

A lot of it was for show, which says more about the teams doing the fake interviews than about the rule itself. But at worst it gave minority candidates an opportunity to interview for a job that they had no experience with the interview process. If the system is taken seriously then it gives qualified candidates more experience so they can actually get the job in the future. 

[Righteous]

6 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

A lot of it was for show, which says more about the teams doing the fake interviews than about the rule itself. But at worst it gave minority candidates an opportunity to interview for a job that they had no experience with the interview process. If the system is taken seriously then it gives qualified candidates more experience so they can actually get the job in the future. 

Agreed.  And that’s my point.  And this all started with Ran being called a DEI candidate, which we can simply agree, he is.  And that based on the NFL promoting minority hires.  Adam Peters was more qualified and took another year to make sure he was.  Look at the difference in outcomes.  DEI and AA are programs for failure.  There is nothing good about them.  They are just programs for others to feel good about themselves, without care for the “victims”.

 

And it’s really simple, if you say there is “systemic racism” then that will have cause and effect.  For instance, if you say a Black person should go to MIT and allow them in, especially when AA started, it was a program for failure.  Why?  Because that Black person actually came from an inferior school system, without the proper training to succeed at MIT.  If he was qualified, then racism and segregation had no effect at all.  So instead of forcing him into MIT, you allow him to go to a school he actually qualifies for and create a life of success instead of failure.  Because if he goes to MIT and fails, you have just created a lifetime of failure for that person.

It is the same with promoting Blacks to coaching jobs before they are ready.  They will fail and they won’t get another shot.  You can’t play God.  
 

These programs all sound good to the do gooders but there are actual people on the other end that suffer.

[animatormike]

55 minutes ago, Righteous said:

This is 100% bullshit.  How old are you and where were you raised?  

What do you think is bullshit? You want to memory-hole things I watched happen right in front of me to justify your bullshit. My age is in the post. I was raised in Nashville.

This isn't ancient history. I remember separate water fountains. The little black girl who was sent to a white school in Alabama to huge booing crowds was right when I was starting school. I have vague memories of the Nashville lunch counter protests and the black students being beaten by the police for sitting at the counter, just taking nightstick blows to the head without raising their arms until the police finally stopped out of shame - and I certainly remember well my parent's reaction to it. I remember the first black family to move into my neighborhood being run out in the middle of the night by all the fathers, just over where Rivergate is now. You think anybody was hiring them? Believe me, they were not, except as the janitor or to move boxes, until they were forced to. The first time I saw a black person working the floor in a department store I was 5 or 6 and my parents never went there again. What does merit have to do with any of this?

Again, I can completely understand if your argument was we no longer need quotas. I think that in fact may correct, and they probably do more harm than good at this point, but we are only here because of quotas. To say they were never needed is ignorant.

Sorry to all for derailing the thread.

[Starkiller]

19 minutes ago, Righteous said:

And this all started with Ran being called a DEI candidate, which we can simply agree, he is.

Clearly he’s qualified to be a GM. The racist chant of “DEI” this and that doesn’t change the fact that he was fully qualified to be GM. 
 

You can debate as to wether he is a good GM, but we had plenty of bad GMs before Ran and we will have more after he is gone someday…

[Callidus]

6 hours ago, Righteous said:

There is nothing racist about it.  The NFL has a policy that Black coaches must be interviewed for each HC position and there are incentives for developing Black leadership and hiring it.   You can’t demand Diversity Equity and Inclusion and then get offended when the program works.  If the NFL or America are demanding that people are hired based on gender and race, then ultimately people will be hired based on gender and race.  If that offends people, then get rid of the practice.  It’s not the people who are calling out the practice who are racist, the practice in itself is.

Your a moron. If you tried to make this argument we hired a lower level minority coach who sucks in the sheer hope someone will give them a head coach or gm job that would be the only way your flawed logic could even work. 

 

We hired him as our gm, there is absolutely zero incentive to do that. SF got the free draft picks not us. 

 

Saying you have to give a couple people interviews is not like the nfl is demanding a % of the staff is a minority. 

[Mythos27]

These topics always reveal the dummies. The idea that a kid being worthy of acceptance into a prestigious school disproves systemic racism is just so dumb. I'll give a simple example. The city I grew up is a majority minority city and one of the poorest in the country. In my graduating class, we had 2 guys get into MIT, 2 girls get into BC, and 1 girl get into Brown. They all graduated and the guys both have jobs at Raytheon now, while 2 of the girls have a master's and PhD respectively in education. Not sure what the third girl is doing since we lost touch but she was brilliant so I'm sure she's fine.

 

To the idiots, this proves that there is no systemic racism. What they overlook is that half of my freshmen class didn't even make it to sophomore year and probably about 60% of those graduated at all. That's the effect of poverty and systemic racism. You don't see that in white, affluent communities and as much as those people would like to believe that their better outcomes are because of their superior culture, I can assure you that's not the case.

 

You will always have people who will beat the odds. I'm living proof of that, but that doesn't mean that the odds didn't exist. No one wants to give people of color an advantage over white people, but we do want them to have the same odds of success. Racists hate that which is at they twist it into some kind of reverse-racism; they know what their ideas sound like out loud. 

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, Callidus said:

Your a moron. If you tried to make this argument we hired a lower level minority coach who sucks in the sheer hope someone will give them a head coach or gm job that would be the only way your flawed logic could even work. 

 

We hired him as our gm, there is absolutely zero incentive to do that. SF got the free draft picks not us. 

 

Saying you have to give a couple people interviews is not like the nfl is demanding a % of the staff is a minority. 

Yup. But they have to try to conflate the issue and muddy the waters to hide their ill-intent.

[TheBukafax]

48 minutes ago, Righteous said:

Agreed.  And that’s my point.  And this all started with Ran being called a DEI candidate, which we can simply agree, he is.  And that based on the NFL promoting minority hires.  Adam Peters was more qualified and took another year to make sure he was.  Look at the difference in outcomes.  DEI and AA are programs for failure.  There is nothing good about them.  They are just programs for others to feel good about themselves, without care for the “victims”.

 

And it’s really simple, if you say there is “systemic racism” then that will have cause and effect.  For instance, if you say a Black person should go to MIT and allow them in, especially when AA started, it was a program for failure.  Why?  Because that Black person actually came from an inferior school system, without the proper training to succeed at MIT.  If he was qualified, then racism and segregation had no effect at all.  So instead of forcing him into MIT, you allow him to go to a school he actually qualifies for and create a life of success instead of failure.  Because if he goes to MIT and fails, you have just created a lifetime of failure for that person.

It is the same with promoting Blacks to coaching jobs before they are ready.  They will fail and they won’t get another shot.  You can’t play God.  
 

These programs all sound good to the do gooders but there are actual people on the other end that suffer.

Now let’s see you put this much effort and emotion into a post about the bigger issue of cronyism in a supposed meritocracy…

 

Oh wait that won’t happen! You don’t actually care about injustice happening against meritocracy.

[Righteous]

27 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Clearly he’s qualified to be a GM. The racist chant of “DEI” this and that doesn’t change the fact that he was fully qualified to be GM. 
 

You can debate as to wether he is a good GM, but we had plenty of bad GMs before Ran and we will have more after he is gone someday…

That’s not my debate.  My debate is simple.  The NFL has a DEI hiring policy, which means they encourage and push to hire candidates based on race and gender.  Do you think the NFL is not boasting that their diversity, equity and inclusion policy is working with the hire of Ran Carthon in Tennessee?  If they are, and you know they are, then Ran Carthon is a DEI hire.  Once again, it has nothing to do with racism.  If hiring based on gender and race, which DEI is, then how does it become a racial slur to state the obvious?   For fuck sake, the NFL had a DEI report which list Ran Carthon as a success story.  What the fuck are we talking about here????

 

https://operations.nfl.com/media/5qwhe0ba/2023-nfl-diversity-inclusion-mobility-report-march-2023.pdf

[Righteous]

7 minutes ago, TheBukafax said:

Now let’s see you put this much effort and emotion into a post about the bigger issue of cronyism in a supposed meritocracy…

 

Oh wait that won’t happen! You don’t actually care about injustice happening against meritocracy.

Yep.  We got a cronyism coach.  It happens.  Let’s see how offended you are about the cronyism of Bronny James being in the NBA. 

[TheBukafax]

2 minutes ago, Righteous said:

Yep.  We got a cronyism coach.  It happens.  Let’s see how offended you are about the cronyism of Bronny James being in the NBA. 

Like I said, you’d never put the effort into a post about cronyism. Had to whataboutism yourself into more racism lmfao.

 

You might be classified as retarded by the DSM-V, you might wanna get that checked out.

Edited December 18, 2024 by TheBukafax

[Mythos27]

4 minutes ago, Righteous said:

That’s not my debate.  My debate is simple.  The NFL has a DEI hiring policy, which means they encourage and push to hire candidates based on race and gender.  Do you think the NFL is not boasting that their diversity, equity and inclusion policy is working with the hire of Ran Carthon in Tennessee?  If they are, and you know they are, then Ran Carthon is a DEI hire.  Once again, it has nothing to do with racism.  If hiring based on gender and race, which DEI is, then how does it become a racial slur to state the obvious?   For fuck sake, the NFL had a DEI report which list Ran Carthon as a success story.  What the fuck are we talking about here????

 

https://operations.nfl.com/media/5qwhe0ba/2023-nfl-diversity-inclusion-mobility-report-march-2023.pdf

There is no push to hire evidenced by the fact that the overwhelming majority of Rooney rule candidates do not get hired. There is a push to interview 1 minority candidate and he can/should be the must qualified one you can find. Stop lying about the policy. 

Edited December 18, 2024 by Mythos27