Titans Jets Gameday Thread - Week 2

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1 minute ago, tgo said:

If you want to see abysmal QB play - take a look at Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, etc.

Caleb Williams throws a lot of incompletions, but they all make sense.  With Levis we’re getting way too much inattentive type as opposed to hyperfocus type.

[oldschool]

3 minutes ago, tgo said:

If you want to see abysmal QB play - take a look at Bryce Young, Caleb Williams, etc.

 

Young has been horrible but Levis has been really bad as well.

[Frank Andbeans]

14 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

 

 

 

This is lazy garbage by waldman.

 

Burks does overhand catch at the high point fairly often. Look at his concussion TD vs Philly. Look at his rookie year big play vs cincy. I can find them in his college play too with a simple search - UNC game has 2.

 

This ball was underthrown  to where Burks has to come back through the underneath CB to make a play.

 

If this catch is made it is a fantastic one.

 

There are maybe a handful of WRs in the league that could even attempt an overhand catch in this play. How many times would we watch AJ Brown basket catch over the shoulder rather than turn back and overhand high-point? And there were times that ball would be tipped before reaching him.

 

There is not one way to catch a ball and I'll repeat that few NFL receivers would succeed at what Waldman wants on that play. That approach is acceptable but leads to a high probability that you volleyball it up in the air as the CB runs into you like an old Plaxico Burress play.

 

Burks would still have the same issue of the CBs arm being between his and he has to bring the ball down through it to his chest.

 

Its a bit outdated as you don't see this attempt nearly as much these days.

 

If you watch a guy like Devonte Smith there is a big effort to bring his chest to the catch point as often as possible because he can use his full strength there and there is miniscule opportunity to attack his extended arms. Each extended catch for him involves an immediate retraction to his core usually with a twist of his body away from the nearest defender - like an alligator roll.

 

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I would classify this as a mostly good effort by Burks given the throw.

 

My main issue is that I want him to commit to coming back through the underneath DB with his momentum more as that would allow him to win the wrestling match as the stronger player - chest to the ball rather than ball to the chest as he fades up field.

 

I think that is what shows up more in his play over the years is an inability to reverse momentum at the top of deep routes - he's always fading back towards their endzone with a pirouette. Often that is the right thing, but look at a guy like Jamar Chase - if you attack backwards with your momentum towards the LOS against the receding DBs you can get a catch with YAC opportunity going against the grain as the DBs slide past.

 

Burks is more of a rough and tumble physical WR that never refined these parts of his game like these other guys I mention.

 

After the Pitt concussion I thought it was important to have someone work with him on having acrobatic plans for his own body in the context of the play but it seems to be a neglected skill - self preservation is not a natural feature of his movements like you'd see in a somewhat comparable player (by skillset) like Brandon Marshall back in the day.

 

I tend to think he's just never been taught to bring his momentum back at the catch point as there are different schools of thought on how to approach it - again, look at how AJ Bown is all about protecting the flight path of the ball and basket catching over the shoulder.

 

I really like the effort Waldman puts in but it's difficult not to roll my eyes at the some of the shit he says like raving about the curvilinear movement of Trey Sermon.

 

I find he has buzzwords like an old basketball coach that harps on 3 point stance while disregarding its extinction in the NBA. This falls into that category for me.

 

None of that says Burks ain't busting, but it's not because of that one play. He failed to bail Levis out with a spectacular play.

[TF_Titan]

56 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

we all do. I know Callahan said yesterday he was okay with the throw but I bet after he sees the film that changes.

No it won't. Rodgers threw almost the exact same contested pass. The difference is the Packers receiver came down with it. The pass was fine... literally hit Burks in the chest.

[scine09]

Burks needed to adjust to it better.  Brady used to throw that pass to Moss.  That pass is not my issue with Levis.

[Downtown]

The problem with the decision to throw the ball to Burks is that Ridley is wide ass open on a crossing route for a 1st down and 20+ yards to run. 
 

 

[oldschool]

3 minutes ago, TF_Titan said:

No it won't. Rodgers threw almost the exact same contested pass. The difference is the Packers receiver came down with it. The pass was fine... literally hit Burks in the chest.

 

Bullshit. it was thrown into double coverage. Burks was not open. You give Jefferson a chance on that ball or some other great WRs. You don't make that throw to Burks.

[oldschool]

Just now, Downtown said:

The problem with the decision to throw the ball to Burks is that Ridley is wide ass open on a crossing route for a 1st down and 20+ yards to run. 
 

 

[TF_Titan]

3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Bullshit. it was thrown into double coverage. Burks was not open. You give Jefferson a chance on that ball or some other great WRs. You don't make that throw to Burks.

I agree throwing to Burks is always a bad idea, but that's a throw QBs make all the time...and one you expect your receiver to come down with.

[rns90]

27 minutes ago, tgo said:

A lot of predictable over-reacting after the first two weeks. 
 

Brand new first time coordinators in all 3 phases of the game. New schemes all the way around. Lots of young players on offense. 
 

Aside from the total boneheaded underhand plays from Levis, he has been fine and showed improvement from week 1 to week 2. The problem of course is that those plays change the entire game. Right now he’s an early read QB that needs to be schemed (He needs to navigate pressure better and to protect himself better). Will he ascend to more than that? We’ll see, odds are against him. Is it way too early to write him off? Of course it is. He has still looked better overall than any other young QB the Titans have had in the modern era all things considered. He has a lot of work to do, but all the ingredients are there at least. 

That one interception was totally on Burks in my book btw. Guy is a total bust. 
 

I don’t think the Titans will be in range to take a top QB this draft, but Levis’ play thus far of course wouldn’t preclude them from doing so. Will be up to him to change that trajectory. 

Lol, no. Mariota showed more than him and even like a multiple game stretch in 2016 where he almost looked a franchise qb.

 

Even if you take out the boneheaded plays, what exactly did Levis do well and “play fine” as you say?

 

The TD was just a great catch by Ridley and if the S is there maybe quicker there by a sec , it probably gets deflected or INT.

In the second half  they had 4 three and outs , the Ridley td catch and the final drive which was basically him rushing the ball on scrambles.

 

Once you get past the one or two scripted drives to start he basically falls apart and doesn’t provide much at all and that’s why Callahan has called the games the way he has.

 

[titanruss]

Just now, Downtown said:

The problem with the decision to throw the ball to Burks is that Ridley is wide ass open on a crossing route for a 1st down and 20+ yards to run. 
 

 

 

Watching the games, it feels like Callahan is doing a baby step approach to learning with Levis. Small wins, schemed throws. Stack those then give some options to where he does a little more reading of a D.

 

I think on the deep pass, coach said thats what he wanted out of the play. So likely he's on tilt a bit and just hitting the first read. These things will happen until he understands the offense and can process it quickly enough to go to the next reads without delay.

 

He may never get there - but it does appear coach is going with a patient process and will continue that until Levis proves he can never get over his flaws. Still early for this staff and team and Levis. Guys that came in the league with similar flaws are now doing well as starters for their second teams after their first teams ran the QB carousel and broke several QBs instead of just 1.

 

 

 

[titanruss]

5 minutes ago, rns90 said:

Lol, no. Mariota showed more than him and even like a multiple game stretch in 2016 where he almost looked a franchise qb.

 

Even if you take out the boneheaded plays, what exactly did Levis do well and “play fine” as you say?

 

The TD was just a great catch by Ridley and if the S is there maybe quicker there by a sec , it probably gets deflected or INT.

In the second half  they had 4 three and outs , the Ridley td catch and the final drive which was basically him rushing the ball on scrambles.

 

Once you get past the one or two scripted drives to start he basically falls apart and doesn’t provide much at all and that’s why Callahan has called the games the way he has.

 

 

Ridley did drop a deep pass that was a great ball too. Deep balls are low %.

 

My worry is that he's not completing mid range shots which he did exceptionally well in this type of offense his JR year of college.

[tgo]

 

[titanruss]

When Levis got his 2 runs, ARod was visibly annoyed. It looked like he was disgusted watching bad QB play have any success because of luck.

[Downtown]

3 minutes ago, titanruss said:

 

Watching the games, it feels like Callahan is doing a baby step approach to learning with Levis. Small wins, schemed throws. Stack those then give some options to where he does a little more reading of a D.

 

I think on the deep pass, coach said thats what he wanted out of the play. So likely he's on tilt a bit and just hitting the first read. These things will happen until he understands the offense and can process it quickly enough to go to the next reads without delay.

 

He may never get there - but it does appear coach is going with a patient process and will continue that until Levis proves he can never get over his flaws. Still early for this staff and team and Levis. Guys that came in the league with similar flaws are now doing well as starters for their second teams after their first teams ran the QB carousel and broke several QBs instead of just 1.

 

 

 

The Jets scouted us from week 1 and saw the obvious flaws. 
 

Levis struggles to dissect a D and utilize the quick passing game. When we put him in Shotgun with a 3 step drop, he either can’t make the read or as we saw on the missed TD to Ridley, he bails early and runs from a clean pocket.  

All Levis really has in the passing game is that deep arm off play-action. 

So what did the Jets do? They keep 2 safeties deep, ignore play-action, and realize the only way we can counter a defense’s pass-rush is by running screens. And that’s how the Jets ate us alive. We just couldn’t adjust and couldn’t take advantage. They neutralized Levis with an easy scouting report.