2024 General Election - Trump vs Kamala Harris

[rns90]

3 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

 

 

 

They still had very high support.

This was probably an unintentional word choice but I laughed.

[oldschool]

3 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

 

I continue to look at Wisconsin results and Harris doesn't seem to be carrying as much as she needs to be. You can go to bed with the assumption Trump wins and maybe you wake up surprised.

 

if it wasn't clear, thats what I'm doing.

[KenAmato58]

3 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

 

An appeal to fear fascism and an appeal to fear minorities are not equally high or equally low brow.

You might hear it as an, “appeal to fear minorities,” but the actual minorities don’t seem to share your level of concern.  If trends hold it would appear the Hispanic and black vote is actually up for Trump from 2020.  If Trump actually was promoting fear of minorities then I would agree with you, however. 

[Strunk'sDessert]

11 minutes ago, KenAmato58 said:

Respectfully, are you retarded? The primary message from the left was that Trump is a literal nazi and that if he wins he’ll execute Liz Cheney and become a dictator. Rs had similar doomsday messaging but it’s so dumb to pretend the Ds went high while Rs went low. The fuck are you talking about. 

 

Ah, you showed up here when you're feeling confident. Don't feel like going back & forth with you. 

 

Let's just call a draw where I think you're retarded and I think you're brainwashed, retarded, or both. 

 

No need to go beyond that. 

[Mercalius]

She may lose Virginia lol.  How we feeling about that popular vote TR liberals?

[Strunk'sDessert]

Nm

Edited November 6, 2024 by Strunk'sDessert

[abenjami]

One thing to realize is that some of the electoral college votes shifted states since 2020.

 

If no states flipped this election, the Republicans picked up 3 votes.

 

It also means that if Georgia and Pennsylvania are the only 2 states to flip, Trump gets to 270.

[TitansPDO]

That's it for me as well. Going to sleep assuming that Trump will win. 

 

Good luck to all that actually stay up and watch. 

[OzTitan]

Just now, KenAmato58 said:

You might hear it as an, “appeal to fear minorities,” but the actual minorities don’t seem to share your level of concern.  If trends hold it would appear the Hispanic and black vote is actually up for Trump from 2020.  If Trump actually was promoting fear of minorities then I would agree with you, however. 

I think Trump's rhetoric around this and what he personally means is kind of irrelevant really. In the end it is probably more significant what prevailing interpretations in the wider community are, as people probably assign their beliefs to Trump's words and that's how they choose to interpret them, and in turn his rise has emboldened those interpretations independent of each other. And I think the worry people hold for all this is in some of those interpretations, which are probably hard to really gauge the significance of without seeing things actually play out.

 

Or in simpler terms, some people are probably worried when they shouldn't be, or maybe aren't when they should be.

[Jamalisms]

9 minutes ago, KenAmato58 said:

You might hear it as an, “appeal to fear minorities,” but the actual minorities don’t seem to share your level of concern.  If trends hold it would appear the Hispanic and black vote is actually up for Trump from 2020.  If Trump actually was promoting fear of minorities then I would agree with you, however. 

This doesn't actually contradict my point so I'm going to set aside the fact that you pivoted strongly towards votes and away from messaging despite the what we're talking about is messaging. I'll just agree to move towards voting demographics.

 

This is a decent example of where the world actually being complex makes people say useless things. There are multiple factors in play. Chef laid out an example of how a bias can offset other targeting concerns within specific demographics and that's not the only case.

[chef]

20 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

Gee, you mean they should have run a more likeable white male?

 

LOL

 

15 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

Yes and that is why the Dem leadership is retarded.

 

They run who they want, not who the most important voters will vote for.

 

Dems seem to campaign on the basis of the world as they want it to be, not the world as it is.  

 

13 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

 

I assume Shapiro will be the early favorite for 2028. He probably stayed off the ticket to avoid the stink of the probable loss.

 

I would still say Newsome.... except California is actually a huge negative for him.  A useless state to carry (see EC issues).

 

 

And not saying he's perfect, just - like I did recently - a high-end car salesman that comes across well on TV.  And people end up buying.  

[Blackjack]

Why did Trump get so much more Hispanic vote than Biden 2020? Any ideas?  

[Titans279]

I think this is likely all about the economy and people not really caring about Trump being a terrible person.

 

I will be surprised if his approval ratings are ever higher than they were in his first term, but it doesn't really matter because he doesn't have to get re-elected.

 

I think especially with him being enabled to do more of the crazy shit that he wants, tariffs, rounding up millions of people and putting them in camps... It won't be popular.

 

 

 

[Mercalius]

Just now, Blackjack said:

Why did Trump get so much more Hispanic vote than Biden 2020? Any ideas?  

When families can’t afford groceries they tend to vote the opposite ticket.  When minorities sniff out race pandering, they tend to vote the opposite ticket.  And like was pointed out already-love it or hate it many minorities are not inclined to vote for a female president 

[Titans279]

2 minutes ago, chef said:

 

 

Dems seem to campaign on the basis of the world as they want it to be, not the world as it is.  

 

 

I would still say Newsome.... except California is actually a huge negative for him.  A useless state to carry (see EC issues).

 

 

And not saying he's perfect, just - like I did recently - a high-end car salesman that comes across well on TV.  And people end up buying.  

 

I just can't see a Californian being the pick at all. CA is the poster child for what voters are saying they don't like right now.