2024 General Election - Trump vs Kamala Harris

[OzTitan]

4 hours ago, oldschool said:

Musk is not the guy many think he is.

 

 

He's really just an attention whore at this point. It's amazing how little momentum his businesses seem to have now? the innovation from his ventures seem really few and far between these days.

[Mercalius]

It’s over.  Trump just won 100% of the Latino vote

 

 

[begooode]

It’s impossible to argue against the energy that the Harris/Walz ticket has brought to the election. Even more so is the type of positive energy from Kamala and Walz as opposed to the upside down retribution fueled narrative the repubs continue to offer up
 

[Justafan]

Really like what Im hearing from Harris’s economic plan. No longer pushing for Medicaid for all - focus on child tax credit, grocery, medical, and housing costs. 

 

Of course, it's easy to lay out generalities and I won't agree with everything (like climate resistant communities…) but the framework is reasonable and I think targets the right audience. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/harris-focus-grocery-costs-child-tax-credit-economic-agenda-advisers-say-2024-08-14/

[Justafan]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-economy-speech-veers-personal-attacks-harris-biden-rcna166652

 

Compare this to Trump's remarks on the economy, which amount to personal attacks on Biden and Harris, protectionism, tariffs, some sort of strengthened border policy, and maybe a crime bill. Oh, and "drill baby drill!" apparently, too.

 

Big businesses will still probably side with Trump just due to massive tax breaks and deregulations being at stake, but it's pretty clear that your average worker stands to gain far more from Dem policies. Usually, Democrats campaign on progressive policies and then dial it back when they get in office and reality and Congress set in, but Kamala is campaigning on a fairly moderate economic platform... at least so far... which gives me hope. 

[Mercalius]

33 minutes ago, Justafan said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-economy-speech-veers-personal-attacks-harris-biden-rcna166652

 

Compare this to Trump's remarks on the economy, which amount to personal attacks on Biden and Harris, protectionism, tariffs, some sort of strengthened border policy, and maybe a crime bill. Oh, and "drill baby drill!" apparently, too.

 

Big businesses will still probably side with Trump just due to massive tax breaks and deregulations being at stake, but it's pretty clear that your average worker stands to gain far more from Dem policies. Usually, Democrats campaign on progressive policies and then dial it back when they get in office and reality and Congress set in, but Kamala is campaigning on a fairly moderate economic platform... at least so far... which gives me hope. 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2024 by Mercalius

[ctm]

2 hours ago, Justafan said:

Really like what Im hearing from Harris’s economic plan. No longer pushing for Medicaid for all - focus on child tax credit, grocery, medical, and housing costs. 

 

Of course, it's easy to lay out generalities and I won't agree with everything (like climate resistant communities…) but the framework is reasonable and I think targets the right audience. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/harris-focus-grocery-costs-child-tax-credit-economic-agenda-advisers-say-2024-08-14/

Florida has real climate related issues, insurance and HOA costs, related to climate change affecting 10's of thousands of voters.  At least half a dozen insurers left the state because property is uninsurable due to the risk. I'm interested to see how she frames this issue.  It's real.

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, ctm said:

Florida has real climate related issues, insurance and HOA costs, related to climate change affecting 10's of thousands of voters.  At least half a dozen insurers left the state because property is uninsurable due to the risk. I'm interested to see how she frames this issue.  It's real.

Market will fix that in my opinion. No need for government involvement. Definitely get where you’re coming from though. 

[IrishTitansFan]

4 hours ago, Justafan said:

Really like what Im hearing from Harris’s economic plan. No longer pushing for Medicaid for all - focus on child tax credit, grocery, medical, and housing costs. 

 

Of course, it's easy to lay out generalities and I won't agree with everything (like climate resistant communities…) but the framework is reasonable and I think targets the right audience. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/harris-focus-grocery-costs-child-tax-credit-economic-agenda-advisers-say-2024-08-14/

Good to see you've come around on the government interfering as per Harris' plan, because the market has clearly failed the American People with inflation

[Justafan]

14 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said:

Good to see you've come around on the government interfering as per Harris' plan, because the market has clearly failed the American People with inflation

That's not at all what I said or what Ive said in the past. 

[IrishTitansFan]

8 minutes ago, Justafan said:

That's not at all what I said or what Ive said in the past. 

Just Busting your balls, just pulling that from what you linked

 

"Harris will call for a federal law banning corporations from setting excessive prices "

[Justafan]

Just now, IrishTitansFan said:

Just Busting your balls, just pulling that from what you linked

 

"Harris will call for a federal law banning corporations from setting excessive prices "

Fair enough. Yeah, not a fan of that and like I said, I wont agree with everything. Having said that, some regulation will always be necessary when private entities collaborate or abuse the market in order to exploit consumers. I have far less issue with that than I do Trump’s tariff’s for instance…

[Jamalisms]

8 hours ago, OzTitan said:

He's really just an attention whore at this point. It's amazing how little momentum his businesses seem to have now? the innovation from his ventures seem really few and far between these days.

 

Space X kicks Boeing's ass, though that's a low bar. Boeing kicks Boeing's ass even more than Space X does.

[Jamalisms]

6 hours ago, Justafan said:

Really like what Im hearing from Harris’s economic plan. No longer pushing for Medicaid for all - focus on child tax credit, grocery, medical, and housing costs. 

 

Of course, it's easy to lay out generalities and I won't agree with everything (like climate resistant communities…) but the framework is reasonable and I think targets the right audience. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/harris-focus-grocery-costs-child-tax-credit-economic-agenda-advisers-say-2024-08-14/

 

I really wonder what sort of lessons the parties will take from this election. I can't imagine either one does away with primaries but I do think there's an incredible advantage to Harris in that she wasn't dragged to the left in order to win the nomination and now she can pivot far more to the center or to the right than she otherwise might have in order to pick up independents.

 

There's fewer negatives / ability to paint her as an extremist because she didn't make promises and she's not on video trying to appeal to the left and there are many more positive things she can do to attract people in the center with her policy reveals And not having to go back on promises previously made.

[OILERMAN]

8 minutes ago, Jamalisms said:

 

I really wonder what sort of lessons the parties will take from this election. I can't imagine either one does away with primaries but I do think there's an incredible advantage to Harris in that she wasn't dragged to the left in order to win the nomination and now she can pivot far more to the center or to the right than she otherwise might have in order to pick up independents.

 

There's fewer negatives / ability to paint her as an extremist because she didn't make promises and she's not on video trying to appeal to the left and there are many more positive things she can do to attract people in the center with her policy reveals And not having to go back on promises previously made.

 

Not going through a primary is a huge advantage