9 Nines Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I read the NFL salary cap is now in bitcoin. OILERMAN, reo, and titanruss 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 32 minutes ago, ctm said: The extra salary cap space that the league allowed is definately going to push player salaries up. That's why teams need cheap labor through the draft rather than trading it away. I'd like to see that as a dig at QC but then AJB didn't come cheap at the trade. Whoever we draft... MHJ, Nabers, the other guy who will remain unnamed... we'll need to keep drafting replacements every 2 or 3 years so that we forced into giant 2nd contracts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said: I'd like to see that as a dig at QC but then AJB didn't come cheap at the trade. Whoever we draft... MHJ, Nabers, the other guy who will remain unnamed... we'll need to keep drafting replacements every 2 or 3 years so that we forced into giant 2nd contracts. In D&D football, would get lower contracts. Edited March 5 by 9 Nines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) 8 hours ago, ctm said: The extra salary cap space that the league allowed is definately going to push player salaries up. That's why teams need cheap labor through the draft rather than trading it away. I hope you can see the dissonance in this. Giving up future capital for cheap capital today equals cheaper capital, this is especially so for positions like LT, WR, and Edge, which are about to be pushing 40 million. Get the 5th year option when you can. Edited March 5 by IsntLifeFunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) 17 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I hope you can see the dissonance in this. Giving up future capital for cheap capital today equals cheaper capital, this is especially so for positions like LT, WR, and Edge, which are about to be pushing 40 million. Get the 5th year option when you can. If trading what should be another starter on an even cheaper deal for an option to franchise tag an extra player is a good way to save money to you then you are an idiot. Edited March 5 by Callidus ctm 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 12 minutes ago, Callidus said: If trading what should be another starter on an even cheaper deal for an option to franchise tag an extra player is a good way to save money to you then you are an idiot. No dum dum that isn't how it works. If tackles, edge, and WRs are about to hit 40 million but can generally only be found in the first two rounds then the 5th year option over say a RB, safety, or center, that can be easily found in FA then yes it is a cap savings in the long run because of the 5th year option versus franchise tag. WR going into the 5th year option at a discount versus a FA ILB or center...savings plus better players. I'd stop talking shit. This is twice now fat fingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 And once again, the discussion is about franchise type players not just regular ones you can plug in FA. So get the argument correct. Right now the 5th year option for Chase is 21 million. Of course he'll never get there but thats his number and helps Cinci with negotiating since he cannot opt out of it. The savings is in the net benefit of quality player and the cap savings of Chase not being a second rounder comes in negotiating his second contract, unlike us with AJ. Anyone who doesn't understand cap savings definitely happens with the 5th year option is a fucking idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) On the other end of this Chase could refuse the deal and take 21 million going into next year. He would then be franchised twice or traded. He could of course do that, but then he wouldn't be getting his market value guaranteed. That 5th year option forces players to negotiate and stay on their team, which is the entire discussion at hand. The cap savings is relative to spending money like we were apparently interested in doing for a guy like Evans, who just signed for 26 a year. Higgins is going to get close to 30 when he's off that team. You want cheap contracts at your top spots (QB, LT, WR1, CB1, Edge) because they cost a ton in FA. An extra year of control is valuable because it keeps those players on your team and not spending FA money to keep them while forcing them to the table. Edited March 5 by IsntLifeFunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ctm Posted March 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5 You 13 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: And once again, the discussion is about franchise type players not just regular ones you can plug in FA. So get the argument correct. Right now the 5th year option for Chase is 21 million. Of course he'll never get there but thats his number and helps Cinci with negotiating since he cannot opt out of it. The savings is in the net benefit of quality player and the cap savings of Chase not being a second rounder comes in negotiating his second contract, unlike us with AJ. Anyone who doesn't understand cap savings definitely happens with the 5th year option is a fucking idiot. You want to trade away a 2025 2nd rounder to move into the bottom of the 1st this year. That's trading away 4 years of cheap labor for 1 year of option. That's not a cap advantage no matter how you spin it. Justafan, OILERMAN, TF_Titan, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, ctm said: You You want to trade away a 2025 2nd rounder to move into the bottom of the 1st this year. That's trading away 4 years of cheap labor for 1 year of option. That's not a cap advantage no matter how you spin it. Not on the front end, no. On the back end with franchise positions it definitely is if you hit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 Completion percentage does not mean a QB is accurate, specially in college where most QBs are throwing a ton of WR screens and RPOs. Levis may have completed 65% of his passes in college but in the NFL he was 58% and on enough of those completions the ball placement was off. It was notable to anyone watching and you didn't need to be a 20 year NFL scout to see it. It doesn't mean he's a lost cause and guys have improved but you're fooling yourself if you think accuracy is a calling card for Levis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 Has a veteran WR signing ever helped this team? Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragidealist Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 34 minutes ago, 9 Nines said: Has a veteran WR signing ever helped this team? Randy Moss in Titan blue didn’t transform your world? reo, titanruss, and ChemEngr79 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 (edited) 9 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Not on the front end, no. On the back end with franchise positions it definitely is if you hit. A rookie 2nd rounder costs like 6-9mil over 4 years. The guy you have to sign even if it's a RB or ILB who are cheap will cost you around 3-5 a year. If the player you would have taken was a somewhat premium position like you should be using that 2nd on they will be making 10+ a year. Do you want to draft a RT in round 2 next year and have their service for just under 2.5aav or do you want to sign a FA RT for 15aav and get one year before you have to spend 30mil on a wr? Even in that first year that's 30+2.5=32.5 for a wr and a rookie RT vs 22+15=37 for a FA right tackle. You also just spent 45mil vs 6ish over the 3 years before that even comes up. This in no way adds up to savings. If you are hitting on draft picks like should in the first 3 rounds there is no way to save money by going with free agents. Edited March 5 by Callidus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 It's pretty obvious when a QB like Pickett did against the Titans last year where they have no pressure in their face and they miss a guy by a couple of feet and they do that a couple of times or more per game. That is a guy who lacks the NFL accuracy to succeed. Levis had a few pretty bad misses in terms of ball placement, meaning he got to the guy but it was behind him, a little over his head or whatever. It's hard to evaluate him because he CONSTANTLY had pressure in his face and almost never had plenty of time to throw but you didn't see a ton of WTF throws per game. I don't care what he did in college, I care what he's done in the NFL. In the NFL he's looked good enough when he's had time and had somewhere to actually go with the ball. This year will be the tell about whether Levis can take the next step but his accuracy passed the minimum test IMO. Now we have to see whether he can develop into a high level quality starter. Strunk'sDessert, Callidus, and No1TitansFan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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