TerryBoats Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, Justafan said: He's too stupid to realize that he just made a point about how the Titans have only been good because of the elite players... that Jrob drafted. Robinson inherited a HC with an 18-39 record, and a QB who has a record of 8-17 without him ... And got 2 winning seasons and a playoff win out of the former, and 3 winning seasons and a playoff win out of the latter. With Tannehill, they have a 67% winning percentage, which puts them right up there with NE. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justafan Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: Robinson inherited a HC with an 18-39 record, and a QB who has a record of 8-17 without him ... And got 2 winning seasons and a playoff win out of the former, and 3 winning seasons and a playoff win out of the latter. With Tannehill, they have a 67% winning percentage, which puts them right up there with NE. Jack Conklin, Derrick Henry, Kevin Byard, AJ Brown, David Long, Harold Landry... It's just hilarious to me the stupidity of these people screaming... See, I told you he was a sucky drafter! Then in the same breath they talk about how much they love those players. TerryBoats, oldschool, tgo, and 4 others 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Justafan said: Jack Conklin, Derrick Henry, Kevin Byard, AJ Brown, David Long, Harold Landry... It's just hilarious to me the stupidity of these people screaming... See, I told you he was a sucky drafter! Then in the same breath they talk about how much they love those players. They have to cherry-pick and make bad arguments, because it's hard to make a good one based on objective data- which shows Robinson performing very well relative to the other teams in the league. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post japan Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, BlueThunder said: He moved way up to get Conklin. You don't do that for a right tackle. He passed over Henry twice before deciding there was no one else there. He took Todd over him. So let's not act like he's a genius. Brown was suspect with that knee. Even Philly has him on a snap count. The misses are FAR greater than the hits. And Tanne picked us, he did not pick Tanne, just signed him. Nothing is better than Joel dinging Robinson for stealing Henry late in the second, as if that is a bad thing... Number9, IsntLifeFunny, TerryBoats, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinx81 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, japan said: Nothing is better than Joel dinging Robinson for stealing Henry late in the second, as if that is a bad thing... Not to mention that “he passed over him twice!” japan, and TerryBoats 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Amy is really going to lose her shit when there is an apathetic Titans crowd for a home playoff game (if they make it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Justafan said: Jack Conklin, Derrick Henry, Kevin Byard, AJ Brown, David Long, Harold Landry... It's just hilarious to me the stupidity of these people screaming... See, I told you he was a sucky drafter! Then in the same breath they talk about how much they love those players. Lets play. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-titans-history-jon-robinson-2016/ The cold hard truth is that while Robinson has hit on some really good players like you noted, overall his success rate on premium picks is not very good. Jackson, Davis, Dodd, Johnson, R Evans, D Evans, Taylor, Wilson, etc..... Even if you give Jrob Conklin, I'll argue till the day I die that was a bad pick considering the investment and taking a RT who will never play LT in this league in the top 10, he's hit on his 1st rounders far less than is acceptable; Simmons is the only sure fire hit as its too early to claim Burks was a good pick although he does look to be on his way to being just that. That puts Jrob at 2/8 if you include Burks and 3/8 if you include Burks and Conklin. Either way thats terrible and its a direct result of why the roster is in the state its in, especially OL. rns90, DCTitan, and ctm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Lets play. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-titans-history-jon-robinson-2016/ The cold hard truth is that while Robinson has hit on some really good players like you noted, overall his success rate on premium picks is not very good. Jackson, Davis, Dodd, Johnson, R Evans, D Evans, Taylor, Wilson, etc..... Even if you give Jrob Conklin, I'll argue till the day I die that was a bad pick considering the investment and taking a RT who will never play LT in this league in the top 10, he's hit on his 1st rounders far less than is acceptable; Simmons is the only sure fire hit as its too early to claim Burks was a good pick although he does look to be on his way to being just that. That puts Jrob at 2/8 if you include Burks and 3/8 if you include Burks and Conklin. Either way thats terrible and its a direct result of why the roster is in the state its in, especially OL. It's pretty bad and I don't think the numbers can fully calculate or analyze this. There are 2 wastes of space where they got nothing from : Farley and Wilson. Simmons is the only surefire hit. Evans was a marginal stiff. Jackson is sort of on the same tier, taking injuries and other factors into consideration. Davis was a waste (draft slot/pos value) at 5. And Conklin has been debated to death. It's pretty awful now that years have gone by and we can accurately assess the players and picks/slots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, oldschool said: Lets play. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-titans-history-jon-robinson-2016/ The cold hard truth is that while Robinson has hit on some really good players like you noted, overall his success rate on premium picks is not very good. Jackson, Davis, Dodd, Johnson, R Evans, D Evans, Taylor, Wilson, etc..... Even if you give Jrob Conklin, I'll argue till the day I die that was a bad pick considering the investment and taking a RT who will never play LT in this league in the top 10, he's hit on his 1st rounders far less than is acceptable; Simmons is the only sure fire hit as its too early to claim Burks was a good pick although he does look to be on his way to being just that. That puts Jrob at 2/8 if you include Burks and 3/8 if you include Burks and Conklin. Either way thats terrible and its a direct result of why the roster is in the state its in, especially OL. This is cherry picking. He's put a top ten roster together every year since he's been here. Yes, he missed on some premium picks. He also nailed Derrick Henry and AJ in the second along with Byard, Brown, Landry, Long, Hooker, Davis, Fulton, etc and probably a few more I'm missing plus the ones from this year which potentially has a bright future. If you want to argue he's missed on 1st round picks... fine. He has. Wilson was terrible and so was Dodd. Corey Davis was over drafted and he's let some guys walk too. BUT... to use that to try and say he has a bad draft record is ridiculous. TNTitans, japan, and oldschool 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, oldschool said: Lets play. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-nfl-draft-titans-history-jon-robinson-2016/ The cold hard truth is that while Robinson has hit on some really good players like you noted, overall his success rate on premium picks is not very good. Jackson, Davis, Dodd, Johnson, R Evans, D Evans, Taylor, Wilson, etc..... Even if you give Jrob Conklin, I'll argue till the day I die that was a bad pick considering the investment and taking a RT who will never play LT in this league in the top 10, he's hit on his 1st rounders far less than is acceptable; Simmons is the only sure fire hit as its too early to claim Burks was a good pick although he does look to be on his way to being just that. That puts Jrob at 2/8 if you include Burks and 3/8 if you include Burks and Conklin. Either way thats terrible and its a direct result of why the roster is in the state its in, especially OL. I don't think his drafting was a bigger hit to him than the FA moves that led to AJ being traded because his agent knew we couldn't afford the franchise tag. It all plays its role. Wilson, Clowney, and Beasely were massive busts. The two rushers took up 25 million and didnt get a single sack. The trade for Julio put us in cap hell leading to the restructure of Tannehill that left him with the largest cap hit of any player in the league this year. Drafting Farley right after Wilson...etc. Still, he got extended because his contract was lined up with Vrabel's. I think trading AJ was and is a big deal. First off he's a superstar, and second off none of it happens without the terrible contracts to Beasely, Clowney, and Julio. I also think something behind the scenes happened besides all of that and she dropped the hammer. I don't blame her. It doesn't mean it was optimal in terms of the Titans season this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Anyone who doesn't think it's strange timing though is truly kidding themselves. It doesn't mean it was a bad move. The two are mutually exclusive in terms of thought process and timing and all the grey area in between. TerryBoats, japan, and StephenIsLegend 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Justafan said: This is cherry picking. He's put a top ten roster together every year since he's been here. Yes, he missed on some premium picks. He also nailed Derrick Henry and AJ in the second along with Byard, Brown, Landry, Long, Hooker, Davis, Fulton, etc and probably a few more I'm missing plus the ones from this year which potentially has a bright future. If you want to argue he's missed on 1st round picks... fine. He has. Wilson was terrible and so was Dodd. Corey Davis was over drafted and he's let some guys walk too. BUT... to use that to try and say he has a bad draft record is ridiculous. I'm sure I'm in the minority but honestly if you drafted a bunch of first round talents, I don't care where you drafted them; they count to me. Whether or not you got "value" relative to a draft slot matters much less to me. J-Rob fucked the OL but even with that I'd put his eye for talent up against anyone in the league. TerryBoats, Justafan, oldschool, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I'm sure I'm in the minority but honestly if you drafted a bunch of first round talents, I don't care where you drafted them; they count to me. Whether or not you got "value" relative to a draft slot matters much less to me. J-Rob fucked the OL but even with that I'd put his eye for talent up against anyone in the league. It was the combination of Beasly, Clowney, Julio contracts fucking the cap so we trade AJ to go with a back drop of Isiah Wilson to Farley. Combine that with the state of the line and voila you have a guy with a talent for late round picks fucking it all up. He went all-in and it didn't work out. DCTitan, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, BlueThunder said: Not really the point. The roster is very much run down right now. And you certainly cannot fix an O line fast. Takes years to develop the proper chemistry to call blocking schemes and work together. Also talent would be helpful. We don't have any of that going for us. The D is also depleted. I don't know the number, but I think we have given away some draft picks for next year. Not sure how many we acquired. I will say he finally seems to have hit on some receivers that show promise. How is it "not the point"? There crux of the first round miss thing is that he didn't get enough value out of his first round picks, which is true. But you can't then ignore clear 1st round talents that he drafted outside of the first round like Brown, Byard, Henry, etc. Yes, the expectations are higher for first round picks (because they have a higher hit rate) but a first round talent is a first round talent no matter where you got them. The only real tangible value to drafting a guy in the first that I can think of is the 5th year option. It sounds insane but J-Rob isn't necessarily gone because of his first round misses; he's gone because he didn't hit enough or where he needed to. Put it this way, if Radunz hits and keeps Tannehill clean by solidifying the LT spot, how different does this season go? Does he still get fired? I doubt it. The guy has a really good eye for talent, just not along the OL lol. Justafan, japan, and KenAmato58 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 50 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It was the combination of Beasly, Clowney, Julio contracts fucking the cap so we trade AJ to go with a back drop of Isiah Wilson to Farley. Combine that with the state of the line and voila you have a guy with a talent for late round picks fucking it all up. He went all-in and it didn't work out. He's got a scout's eye but the roster management killed him. TNTitans, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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