JRob Fired. Wyatt Confirmed.

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6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

You need to understand that when there are no holes to run through, no back looks quick to the hole. Henry is having to try to find a hole (that doesn't exist) pretty much every time he gets the ball instead of just hitting the one that should be there immediately. You need to learn how this works. You don't lead the NFL in rushing for half a season and then suddenly forget how to run. You and the others have always make the mistake of attributing OL issues to Henry. It's why half of you sound schizophrenic when discussing Henry. He looks amazing when there is running room and pretty shitty when there isn't. That's it. No big mystery. 

 The Titans can't run the ball, which is the team identity, against good teams.

 

JRob is responsible for both paying Henry 14M this year and putting a poor OL in front of him.  If I'm the owner, I don't need to diagnose the problem and know the cause of the failure.  All I need to know is that it's not working and that JRob is responsible for both.

 

[rns90]

12 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

You need to understand that when there are no holes to run through, no back looks quick to the hole. Henry is having to try to find a hole (that doesn't exist) pretty much every time he gets the ball instead of just hitting the one that should be there immediately. You need to learn how this works. You don't lead the NFL in rushing for half a season and then suddenly forget how to run. You and the others have always make the mistake of attributing OL issues to Henry. It's why half of you sound schizophrenic when discussing Henry. He looks amazing when there is running room and pretty shitty when there isn't. That's it. No big mystery. 

I don't think Robinson understands this because installing Brewer there and not drafting any G at all in the draft wasn't wise.  Now that I'm thinking about it, passing on Tyler Smith at 18 seems pretty dumb.  You have a "mover" at an OL spot and he can (theoretically) play LT, which would have been nice insurance against Lewan.

 

I like Burks but there wasn't a huge chasm between him and other WR as opposed to Smith and the other remaining OT prospects.  Also wasting a 3rd rounder on Willis instead of any other position , you can definitely bitch about that move.

Edited December 9, 2022 by rns90

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, BlueThunder said:

Read the article. It address how to stop teams that run. I know how it works, and I know you cannot run against a 6 man front in the formations we use.  Most teams are catching on to this now.  I mean if you have to have holes, then any back can get yards, just like what happened last year when he was out 8 games. No drop off in production.  Henry is not built to attack these fronts. They are using small, shifty backs that can find a crease and make a cut.  Henry actually tripped over a guy laying on the ground and fell down. This is not agility.  As I have said earlier, he is more like a fullback now, and better suited for bruising runs.  Think Eddie George. I cannot argue with you if this is going to be productive for the Titans or not. Just calling it like I see it. 

Without holes no running backs can consistently get yards. None. At best they can bounce some runs outside but that's not sustainable as we saw with Henry himself. Name me the RB that consistently produces at a high level behind line that gives him no running room. I'll wait. 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, ctm said:

 The Titans can't run the ball, which is the team identity, against good teams.

 

JRob is responsible for both paying Henry 14M this year and putting a poor OL in front of him.  If I'm the owner, I don't need to diagnose the problem and know the cause of the failure.  All I need to know is that it's not working and that JRob is responsible for both.

 

Oh for sure. J-Rob fucked it up either way you cut it. It is however important to understand what the actual issue is though because decisions will be made based on that determination. 

[SleepingTitan]

11 minutes ago, titanruss said:

I was thinking about this too and then dismissed it assuming he was happy back working in PA... had no idea he'd been with the broncos recently. 
 

The relationship may be hard to salvage but I bet Amy could do it. These things never seem to work out how fans want though.   

He IS in the ring of honor and would probably love to work with Vrabel

[Mythos27]

3 minutes ago, rns90 said:

I don't think Robinson understands this because installing Brewer there and not drafting any G at all in the draft wasn't wise.  Now that I'm thinking about it, passing on Tyler Smith at 18 seems pretty dumb.  You have a "mover" at an OL spot and he can (theoretically) play LT, which would have been nice insurance against Lewan.

 

I like Burks but there wasn't a huge chasm between him and other WR as opposed to Smith and the other remaining OT prospects.  Also wasting a 3rd rounder on Willis instead of any other position , you can definitely bitch about that move.

I cried a little when we took Burks over Christian Watson, then I felt like a after the first few games, then he blew up and I felt like a genius, now I just want to cry again .

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, BlueThunder said:

You are missing the point. Teams are NOT running the ball anymore.  Especially against 6 man fronts. You have to be able to do something else. We are not built to do that. If we cannot run we are fucked. This is that "all your eggs in one basket" analogy. Again, I wish you would read that article. It was super interesting.  I have never claimed to be a football guru, I just watch and comment. This certainly showed me the current trend in the NFL. You would probably get more out of it. 

I don't agree with a single word you said here. We definitely can't run and when we can't we suck. What I disagree with is the idea that all of a sudden Henry is washed. That's ridiculous.

[titanruss]

1 minute ago, Nash said:

The article details how the 6 man fronts Henry has been facing were designed by Belichek to take away the outside zone run..if 1 OL blocker is not effective, the runner can be stopped in the backfield and the whole system disrupted.. the counter is either a very quick back to the outside, screen passes, bulb screens, and according to Shannahan an effective blocking back/fullback.. this leads to several questions:

1) can Henry get outside , 2) why was the fullback released, 3) if just 1 blocker is ineffective the system fails, how about 2 on out left side and possibly the right tackle..

I'd think the counter would be 20 personnel. 3 wr spread wide. In our scheme with Hilliard and Henry in the backfield. You could quickly go 4 wide out of that and either open up the middle or deep. 
 

Defense has to pick their poison with a single backer or single safety defending that. Backs could stay in if needed to assist in pass pro and still have a decent advantage at receiver 
 

Hilliard can be the quick guy getting wide like your scenario. Flaring him out opens the middle. Henry would get forgot about flaring wide likely. 
 

There's so much to play with there. Easy screen on the outside if they play zone but don't cover over the receivers. 
 

I just hate when it's always more of the same from this OC. 

 

[SleepingTitan]

10 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Yeah, you lost me at Tannehill. The OL is so bad that you pretty much have to toss like half of your playbook out against good teams. If Burks wasn't such a monster at contested catches we'd have like no deep completions. I don't like Downing; never have but these conditions are ridiculous. This line motherfucking sucks. Sometimes I feel bad that they got J-Rob fired until I remember everyone one these bums is here because of him in the first place .

RT's decline began when Downsing took over. I'm hoping the problem is that Downsing has pointed the finger at RT and said "he's changing my plays." So Vrabel told him to stop. So now Tannehill is nailing TD's coffin shut. That's the only other explanation for this bs. 

[rns90]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

I cried a little when we took Burks over Christian Watson, then I felt like a after the first few games, then he blew up and I felt like a genius, now I just want to cry again .

Another point in JR's favor is that he knows how to find WR, not so much OL.  So opting for Burks over Watson/the field, kinda hurts even more.  

 

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I don't agree with a single word you said here. We definitely can't run and when we can't we suck. What I disagree with is the idea that all of a sudden Henry is washed. That's ridiculous.

I just think if you know that your RB needs more space/lanes non congestion and you don't draft specifically to fill this need, you can't be really suprised at the results.  This also makes the Radunz pick ever more strange.

[AussieTitanFan08]

Two things AAS needs to be crystal clear about when making her pitch to potential GM candidates.

 

- Is the expectation this offseason to make the moves to keep this team competitive in the short term or is the expectation to make the moves that will give this franchise the best opportunity to win a Super Bowl, there are very different paths depending on her answer.

 

- Secondly as a branch off her answer to the first question is Tannehill the medium term starting QB for this franchise. 

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12 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I don't agree with a single word you said here. We definitely can't run and when we can't we suck. What I disagree with is the idea that all of a sudden Henry is washed. That's ridiculous.

He can still contribute but wasn't worth 12M, much less 14M, this year.   He's far from the only problem in the running game.

 

Now the question is whether the team should pay him 10.5M for 2023?  That's all that matters.

Edited December 9, 2022 by ctm

[rns90]

Non ol but Farley being a total fucking bum and taking up a roster spot for multiple years also hurts badly.  Almost any alternate path would have benefited this team:  take Bateman and Julio isn't traded for, take Darrishaw and you get your LT of the future, take any other CB and you could probably pass on drafting McCreary so early in 2022.

[AussieTitanFan08]

5 minutes ago, rns90 said:

Non ol but Farley being a total fucking bum 

 

Still really is mind boggling hot on the heels of the Wilson disaster that JRob was so reckless taking a guy anyone with half a brain knew was an injury ticking time bomb just waiting to go off.

 

Everyone here has bad takes from time to time (hell my blow it all up post at 2-4 in 2019 is an all time clanger) but I never got why so many here were clamouring for this bum ahead of the 2021 draft.

[titansfan]

2 hours ago, Thrill said:

The team that was on the field in the playoffs last season had just as much if not more talent than the Bengals team that went to the superbowl. This year is a different story, but acting like JRob is the reason we didn't win last year is silly. 

 

 

I didn't say anything about last year.