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[Starkiller]

1 hour ago, reo said:

Its an exceptionally useful aircraft that can do things no other aircraft is capable of doing.

 

Name another stealth fighter bomber that can be launched from a carrier.

Has anyone ever tried forcing a plane design to try to do all of those things at once before?

[WG53]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/air-force-admits-f-35-fighter-jet-costs-too-much-ncna1259781

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/02/23/the-us-air-force-just-admitted-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-has-failed/

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a35631305/f-35-doesnt-work-1-7-trillion-dollars/

 

 

Please continue telling me how awesome it is.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by WG53

[reo]

2 hours ago, WG53 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/air-force-admits-f-35-fighter-jet-costs-too-much-ncna1259781

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/02/23/the-us-air-force-just-admitted-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-has-failed/

 

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a35631305/f-35-doesnt-work-1-7-trillion-dollars/

 

 

Please continue telling me how awesome it is.

 

So you're going to post a couple opinion pieces and another article just quoting one of the others?

 

I'm not going to waste my time debunking every little article you can find. 

 

This is my field and I've worked specifically with the F35. Its an amazing and incredibly useful aircraft. For whatever reason the authors of these articles do it a major disservice. 

 

But I'm not going to convince you otherwise. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by reo

[reo]

7 hours ago, Starkiller said:

Has anyone ever tried forcing a plane design to try to do all of those things at once before?

 

Nope and the F35 does it all and does it well.

[oldschool]

bias is a real thing.... I'm sure the F35 is a technological marvel. Thats not the issue though. Its whether its price tag makes it worth it and so far, most analyses of the project says no.

[tgo]

 

[CreepingDeath]

3 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

That's some videogame logic - throw down a monument to get +10 to morale in a 0.5 mile radius and converts surrounding buildings to your side.  

[WG53]

27 minutes ago, oldschool said:

bias is a real thing.... I'm sure the F35 is a technological marvel. Thats not the issue though. Its whether its price tag makes it worth it and so far, most analyses of the project says no.

Exactly. You get it. They, on the other hand, don't give a shit about the cost because it's the shiny new thing can does a lot more stuff than previous generations.

[begooode]

38 minutes ago, reo said:

Nope and the F35 does it all and does it well.

 

Honestly interested here as my knowledge is all from the previous gen or 2 of military aviation.

 

The "F" in the designation would indicate fighter capabilities, engaging enemy planes, is the prime objective, correct? 

The FA-18 Hornet, then Super Hornet was the last gen that was tasked with both fighter and "A" attack dual roles while also being the mainstay for carrier operations -- super stressful on landing gear / 2 jets requirement, etc --  iirc.  That program was slammed, too, until it got up to scale, working the bugs out along the way.

Edited April 18, 2022 by begooode

[WG53]

39 minutes ago, reo said:

 

So you're going to post a couple opinion pieces and another article just quoting one of the others?

 

I'm not going to waste my time debunking every little article you can find. 

 

This is my field and I've worked specifically with the F35. Its an amazing and incredibly useful aircraft. For whatever reason the authors of these articles do it a major disservice. 

 

But I'm not going to convince you otherwise. 

You aren't going to debunk a goddamn thing.

 

I don't give a shit if it is your field or not. Your opinion doesn't change the fact it has cost too goddamn much already and will continue to do so in the future.

[headhunter]

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Edited April 18, 2022 by headhunter

[reo]

55 minutes ago, WG53 said:

Exactly. You get it. They, on the other hand, don't give a shit about the cost because it's the shiny new thing can does a lot more stuff than previous generations.

And you only care about the price bc you choose not to care about the tactical advantage that it provides. You've chosen your side and you won't be dissuaded so there's no point.

 

Fact of the matter is the F35 is a very useful aircraft that does things nothing else can do and its here to stay.

[reo]

1 hour ago, oldschool said:

bias is a real thing.... I'm sure the F35 is a technological marvel. Thats not the issue though. Its whether its price tag makes it worth it and so far, most analyses of the project says no.

The issue is the tactical advantage that it provides. 

[WG53]

52 minutes ago, reo said:

And you only care about the price bc you choose not to care about the tactical advantage that it provides. You've chosen your side and you won't be dissuaded so there's no point.

 

Fact of the matter is the F35 is a very useful aircraft that does things nothing else can do and its here to stay.

Incorrect.

 

I care about the price because it is exactly because of things like this that we hear politicians say we don't have money for things like healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc.

 

We sure always have enough money for the military industrial complex but not for things that benefit all Americans on a very regular basis.

 

It costs us  the average American's yearly salary to operate one of these aircrafts for a single fucking hour. But it benefits you and your industry so you don't give a  shit.

Edited April 18, 2022 by WG53

[BudsOilers]

1 hour ago, WG53 said:

Incorrect.

 

I care about the price because it is exactly because of things like this that we hear politicians say we don't have money for things like healthcare, education, infrastructure, etc.

 

We sure always have enough money for the military industrial complex but not for things that benefit all Americans on a very regular basis.

 

It costs us  the average American's yearly salary to operate one of these aircrafts for a single fucking hour. But it benefits you and your industry so you don't give a  shit.

 

You really think the politicians give a fuck about healthcare, education, and infrastructure?  Or the majority of voters?  LOL

 

These things are used as buzzwords in campaigns year after year but the political system that exists depends on lobbyists buying off the same politicians.  Hence nothing of any magnitude ever gets done.  And while the political system is built on legalized bribery and quid pro quo's, the voters by in large are idiots who tend to vote solely based on issues that are in the news that fit their ideology or they simply vote along party lines.

 

The U.S. could have free healthcare, education, and an updated infrastucture if they really wanted it.  They'd rather jerk everybody off about it every 4 years instead.

Edited April 18, 2022 by BudsOilers