begooode Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) Taylor and Kent are legit in every sense: integrity, knowledge, experience, and mission-focused. To reject or grossly minimize their expert, nonpartisan assessments is to willfully engage in the nullification of the truth. But that's the new party of Trump. and LOL at the latest GOP talking point: The testimony is boring!! essentially - look away 'murica, nothing to see here,... This shit has gotten so Orwellian. Edited November 13, 2019 by begooode IsntLifeFunny, MadMax, and ChemEngr79 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, oldschool said: The hearing today is damning on multiple levels but I don't expect it to matter to most of the country. The sheep like longtimefan get their news from biased sources and don't even realize they are brainwashed. the GOP will continue to support Trump for for fear of being swept out of office by the very sheep they are beholden to. Its a vicious cycle. Bahahahaha!!!! So far into this idiotic hearing and not a single word relating to anything relevant to impeachment. In fact, these two witnesses arrogantly tell us about their careers in the gov't, their private lives, their history lessons, and their opinions about policy. They clearly despise Giuliani, mostly because he was not working through the State Department, much like many presidential confidants throughout our history. They obviously are also very close to the former ambassador to Ukraine, an Obama holdover, and don't like the way she was ousted. What does any of this have to do with impeachment or an impeachment hearing. What these two witnesses don't care to understand is that the president sets foreign policy that may differ from what the State Department approves. See North Korea, Syria and Israel. begooode 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) ^^ Wholesale rejection of national interest expertise in deference to the one actor (literally) who has been proven to be the most self indulgent, reckless, self serving president in recent memory. And Giuliani acting solely on behalf of the prez now is a credible diplomat in a tense international hotspot. This is high level discernment from the repubs at this point. LOL!! Edited November 13, 2019 by begooode ChemEngr79, Mythos27, MadMax, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post oldschool Posted November 13, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 Its a real shame many are dismissing the open testimony of two distinguished diplomats. IsntLifeFunny, titanruss, Justafan, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Its a real shame many are dismissing the open testimony of two distinguished diplomats. It's amazing how many decent people, going about their business, have been chewed up by Trump and his bullshit sycophants. reo, Mythos27, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rolltide said: When is Trump going to testify and lie so we can send him to prison? No1TitansFan, Justafan, and MadMax 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, oldschool said: Its a real shame many are dismissing the open testimony of two distinguished diplomats. I mean are you surprised? We knew what was going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, scine09 said: I mean are you surprised? We knew what was going to happen. Not at all. I worry the dems have overextended themselves again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, oldschool said: Not at all. I worry the dems have overextended themselves again. What else were they supposed to do? Sit back and let this happen? They had to do this. Whether it works out or not, it would be worse IMO if they'd just sat back and let it happen. Mythos27, ChemEngr79, No1TitansFan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, scine09 said: What else were they supposed to do? Sit back and let this happen? They had to do this. Whether it works out or not, it would be worse IMO if they'd just sat back and let it happen. Its a tough question. Do you risk blowback and hand Trump another 4 years in the name of doing what's right or do you focus on defeating him in an election? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scine09 Posted November 13, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, oldschool said: Its a tough question. Do you risk blowback and hand Trump another 4 years in the name of doing what's right or do you focus on defeating him in an election? You can do both. Anyone paying attention that isn't in the cult knows what Trump did was impeachable. And, quite honestly, 90% of the people in the cult know it too even if they won't admit it. At least those that do more than watch FOX News. I think they need to get that message out to as many people as possible. By not doing anything the message doesn't get out. MadMax, IsntLifeFunny, Mythos27, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Starkiller Posted November 13, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) The Dems had no choice but to open impeachment hearings. The Ukraine call and associated dealings clearly is an impeachable offense. Lots of Democrat’s wanted to open impeachment hearings even before this but Pelosi refused. Dems from moderate districts did not want to go on record supporting impeachment until then. After that call went public, the floodgates opened. Holdout Dems almost universally supported it. Democrat voters do, too. And independents are pro-impeachment now, too. Politically, not impeaching Trump is akin to saying whatever he has done in office is entirely acceptable. I think the Democrats best bet is to impeach him and let the hearings open more information to the public (some of whom will listen) so they can see what he is doing in the Oval Office. No one thinks the Senate will convict, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t impeach him. Edited November 13, 2019 by Starkiller titanruss, Mythos27, MadMax, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, oldschool said: Its a tough question. Do you risk blowback and hand Trump another 4 years in the name of doing what's right or do you focus on defeating him in an election? wtf do you think happens if the Dems don't take this down the correct path? Trump sees the inaction and continues to pressure the Ukrainian President to open an investigation against Biden and say so in a TV interview. He caves and now Trump has manufactured significant dirt against a political rival. Then what? If Biden isn't the nominee, Trump moves on to manufacture a controversy against whoever wins the nomination b/c he got away w/ it the first time. Then if that isn't enough, he does it again. Starkiller, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted November 13, 2019 Report Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rolltide said: Because the president of the Ukraine might have been or was probably under duress in need of military aid that automatically means that Trump had no right to ask him for anything. He has no right to with hold aid until the Ukrainian President opens an investigation into Trump's political rival. ChemEngr79 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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