ap24786 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, JakePA_Titan said: Remember when Mariota was a MVP dark horse? Lol And to everyone else. Carrs numbers absolutely dwarf Mariotas. That same year Carr was an MVP candidate Mariota also had a great year and could have been an MVP candidate, especially with no elite receivers with him. Only difference is they won like 3 more games than us. Carr's counting numbers are better but he played in a pass happy offense with good receiving corps. His yards per attempt are relatively low and he had like 9 games of 3+ interception-worthy throws last year. He's lucky his interception numbers weren't worse. Both are bottom 15 QBs right now but to act like one is substantially better than the other is not accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 8 hours ago, BudAdams said: How is Mariota clearly better than Carr when Carr has better numbers aside from 1 category (YPA)? If anything, both guys are pretty similar in that they have flashed ability but their play/production has regressed in the last couple of seasons. The real advantage MM has over Carr right now is cap cost but that goes away next year..... Analytics wise Mariota is much better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 http://presnapreads.com/2018/03/25/quarterback-tiers-and-rankings-based-exclusively-on-the-2017-season/ Cian Fahey's reviews of Marcus & Carr are interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, Face said: http://presnapreads.com/2018/03/25/quarterback-tiers-and-rankings-based-exclusively-on-the-2017-season/ Cian Fahey's reviews of Marcus & Carr are interesting. Thats old news. Hes really struggling to throw TD regardless whos at WR. Hes never been a heavy TD thrower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVTITAN Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, Face said: http://presnapreads.com/2018/03/25/quarterback-tiers-and-rankings-based-exclusively-on-the-2017-season/ Cian Fahey's reviews of Marcus & Carr are interesting. I’m sure in some stat adjusted alternate universe these stats actually happened, meanwhile in my reality he threw more interceptions than TD’s. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Cian Fahey's "analysis" is laughable as is his tier rankings. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 9 hours ago, ap24786 said: Tua might be the most accurate college QB I've ever seen. Wish he got to play some real competition to really judge but any team who gets him will hit the jackpot. Right after case keenum and that Colin kaepernick Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap24786 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, WVTITAN said: I’m sure in some stat adjusted alternate universe these stats actually happened, meanwhile in my reality he threw more interceptions than TD’s. Yes let's ignore the 5-7 TD passes that were flat out dropped by our receivers last year (and at least 2 this year) and just focus on raw counting stats. Very sophisticated analysis there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVTITAN Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, ap24786 said: Yes let's ignore the 5-7 TD passes that were flat out dropped by our receivers last year (and at least 2 this year) and just focus on raw counting stats. Very sophisticated analysis there. No it’s facing the facts. All you can use these stats for is evaluation of players and that’s fine. Blame WR, Blame coaches, blame everyone but Mariota for the actual results. Most of the Mariota fans on this board get up in arms if anything negative is said about the guy. They act as if he is faultless. It’s annoying. C_Train 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 12 hours ago, TitanedUpSince'70 said: The Raiders are slowly throwing their hat into the T4T (Tank 4 Tua) contest in the 2020 draft! New city, new stadium, new QB! 2020 and 2021 are looking like there will be some stud QBs. Just when we are ready to move on from Mariota. TitanedUpSince'70 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Last year before the season started, the experts were saying Carr and Mariota were rising young QBs and would be the next elites. They would replace Ben, Brady and Brees. NFL. Not For Long titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 hours ago, ap24786 said: Yes let's ignore the 5-7 TD passes that were flat out dropped by our receivers last year (and at least 2 this year) and just focus on raw counting stats. Very sophisticated analysis there. Are we also counting dropped ints? woolfolksunclesuncle 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Something Cian Fahey and a lot of excuse makers don't take into account.... Of course Mariota's doesn't throw a lot of interceptable passes, he won't throw the ball if the WR hasn't already broken open. He looks down field, doesn't throw it and runs out of the pocket. This is no longer a positive attribute, it's a reason he's a poor passer. Of course he didn't throw an INT his first training camp, of course he just now got his first redzone INT. Anyone starting to see a pattern here? 13 TDs last season and 3 so far this season, he doesn't throw TDs either. This is why in a time when passing the ball mediocre QBs are lighting it up Mariota's numbers are totally spare. He's so unbelievably conservative the passing offense is completely stalling. The problem is if he did start throwing with his accuracy he probably would have an INT problem. MamlngEnvy, and headhunter 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 4 hours ago, ap24786 said: Yes let's ignore the 5-7 TD passes that were flat out dropped by our receivers last year (and at least 2 this year) and just focus on raw counting stats. Very sophisticated analysis there. Over time that stuff evens out. Notice how we can look at other QBs stats and don't have to adjust everything. Good QBs actually have real stats TerryBoats, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 For all the citations of dropped passes by the WRs, does anyone have any data on mis-fires by the QB. I'm amused at everyone calling for the head of a WR who drops a catch-able ball. If we did that, we'd be back to the single wing era. If we had won these close games, the complaining would barely be audible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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