MamlngEnvy Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said: The flakes have gotten eerily quiet...why? All resident Dems gave up in this days ago theu got the investigation. They don’t care he obviously lied under oath now we just gotta wait and see what Brett eventually pleads guilty to down the road as all trumps people do earlers, and thor 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, TennesseeTuxedo said: The flakes have gotten eerily quiet...why? Dems have figured he'd get confirmed from day 1. Flake talks like a moderate but votes with his party. Murkowski is a no which is a little surprise. Odds are Collins will vote yes. Honestly it might've been better for Republicans in the midterms if Kavanaugh failed. They'd use it as a rallying cry. Edited October 5, 2018 by reo MamlngEnvy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 minute ago, reo said: Dems have figured he'd get confirmed from day 1. Not all, but I've been saying it throughout this thread. The minute McConnell scheduled the vote you knew it was a forgone conclusion absent some extraordinary turn of events. McConnell has been a swamp creature for a long time, he knows what he's doing. And he's not going to say someone is going to get confirmed if there is any doubt about it. Hopefully if the Dems take back one of the chambers of Congress they can lead with the same cold, calculating ruthlessness. Not vindictively. McConnell doesnt have enough heart to be vindictive. He just steady delivers results for his side time and time again. He will stay within the rules and bend them to his will, or change them if need be. Republicans are just better at this stuff these days than the Dems are. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: Not all, but I've been saying it throughout this thread. The minute McConnell scheduled the vote you knew it was a forgone conclusion absent some extraordinary turn of events. McConnell has been a swamp creature for a long time, he knows what he's doing. And he's not going to say someone is going to get confirmed if there is any doubt about it. Hopefully if the Dems take back one of the chambers of Congress they can lead with the same cold, calculating ruthlessness. Not vindictively. McConnell doesnt have enough heart to be vindictive. He just steady delivers results for his side time and time again. He will stay within the rules and bend them to his will, or change them if need be. Republicans are just better at this stuff these days than the Dems are. I don't think even McConnell really knows. They're fine if he fails. They'll use it in the midterms. But odds are he won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Legaltitan said: Not all, but I've been saying it throughout this thread. The minute McConnell scheduled the vote you knew it was a forgone conclusion absent some extraordinary turn of events. McConnell has been a swamp creature for a long time, he knows what he's doing. And he's not going to say someone is going to get confirmed if there is any doubt about it. Hopefully if the Dems take back one of the chambers of Congress they can lead with the same cold, calculating ruthlessness. Not vindictively. McConnell doesnt have enough heart to be vindictive. He just steady delivers results for his side time and time again. He will stay within the rules and bend them to his will, or change them if need be. Republicans are just better at this stuff these days than the Dems are. He wipes the floor with Schumer daily, sad. @reo Murkowski is being allowed to vote no since they have Collins presumably. Same thing with Manchin and his yes vote. It's how the game is played. Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Collins is destroying the democrats on this. It's so sad how weak the democrat leadership is. They bungled this from the start. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 For someone who was supposed to be on the fence, Collins is probably the best speech for Kavanaugh. Facts after facts on his judicial rulings blasting the dem reasons for saying they wont vote for him. The leaker of the Ford accusation should be top of the Dems shit list. That person has almost single handedly started a red surge. Rolltide 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 Just now, LongTimeFan said: For someone who was supposed to be on the fence, Collins is probably the best speech for Kavanaugh. Facts after facts on his judicial rulings blasting the dem reasons for saying they wont vote for him. The leaker of the Ford accusation should be top of the Dems shit list. That person has almost single handedly started a red surge. Your last sentence notwithstanding, I agree. She killed the dems. @Legaltitan the GOP really is much better at this aren't they? lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_TITAN Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) GOP checkmated the Dems and will a get surge in the polls at an opportune time. Edited October 5, 2018 by THE_TITAN Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, THE_TITAN said: GOP checkmated the Dems and will a get surge in the polls at an opportune time. Schumer overplayed his hand and it could have killed the Dem's chances of taking the Senate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, oldschool said: He wipes the floor with Schumer daily, sad. @reo Murkowski is being allowed to vote no since they have Collins presumably. Same thing with Manchin and his yes vote. It's how the game is played. Like I said, most people have know he'd get confirmed since day 1. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 2 hours ago, reo said: I don't think even McConnell really knows. I feel very certain he knows and has known for a while now reo, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, oldschool said: Schumer overplayed his hand and it could have killed the Dem's chances of taking the Senate. eh? how does Schumer factor into this Personally I think the Democrats did what they had to do. This was an extremely important issue to the Democratic base. Sure it may have fired up the Republican base, but Democratic voters throughout the country signaled very loudly and clearly that they wanted Dems to pushback hard on this nominee. Not doing so could have really deflated Democratic enthusiasm. All you have to do is look who led on this issue. It wasn't the Democrats, they followed the lead of the base on this IMO. I think the Dem Senators more wanted to fight Kavanuagh on his partisanship and his lack of honesty and candor. But that didn't resonate with anyone for whatever reason. Edited October 5, 2018 by Legaltitan pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 10 minutes ago, oldschool said: Schumer overplayed his hand and it could have killed the Dem's chances of taking the Senate. Between this and the caving on the gov't shutdown, Dems need to strongly consider replacing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted October 5, 2018 Report Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, oldschool said: Collins is destroying the democrats on this. It's so sad how weak the democrat leadership is. They bungled this from the start. What did she say/do to "destroy? Democrats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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