OILERMAN Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2014/10/23/7048611/zach-mettenberger-and-the-efficient-market-hypothesis Heading into the draft, I thought he was the 3rd best QB talent. In many ways, he's the polar opposite of Locker. Mettenberger thrives in the pocket, navigating and eluding rushers subtly, and somewhat effortlessly. He's got a willingness to pull the trigger in the gray areas. He throws with anticipation. Obviously, there are issues with his game, too, but there's a lot to like about his game, especially compared to his peers. In preseason Mett's ability to navigate inside the pocket was one of the most impressive things about him. He was able to keep looking downfield while moving away from danger and deliver passes downfield. It also resulted in some strips as he took it into the danger zone. Gower also has an interesting note: http://totaltitans.com/uncategorized/titans-tickets-33-below-average-for-matchup-vs-texans.html A rebirth at quarterback and a solid matchup against a shaky Texans defense adds major value to Titans tickets this week. The average price of Titans vs Texans tickets is currently $81.13 on the secondary market with a get-in price of $8. The average is 33% below the remaining season average for home Titans game this year. SleepingTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Many of us paraphrased SH's thoughts there about Mett around draft time, we saw the light. 9 Nines will have to make sure SH has paid his cult fees of course. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansGuru Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 That second one is by TiqIQ. They're a sponsor here but I haven't let them post custom stories here. Looks like Tom played it. If that stuff is interesting, I can certainly allow it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2014/10/23/7048611/zach-mettenberger-and-the-efficient-market-hypothesis Heading into the draft, I thought he was the 3rd best QB talent. In many ways, he's the polar opposite of Locker. Mettenberger thrives in the pocket, navigating and eluding rushers subtly, and somewhat effortlessly. He's got a willingness to pull the trigger in the gray areas. He throws with anticipation. Obviously, there are issues with his game, too, but there's a lot to like about his game, especially compared to his peers. In preseason Mett's ability to navigate inside the pocket was one of the most impressive things about him. He was able to keep looking downfield while moving away from danger and deliver passes downfield. It also resulted in some strips as he took it into the danger zone. Gower also has an interesting note: http://totaltitans.com/uncategorized/titans-tickets-33-below-average-for-matchup-vs-texans.html A rebirth at quarterback and a solid matchup against a shaky Texans defense adds major value to Titans tickets this week. The average price of Titans vs Texans tickets is currently $81.13 on the secondary market with a get-in price of $8. The average is 33% below the remaining season average for home Titans game this year. Did you hear DeMarcus Ware who was mic'd up last night? He was talking to a teammate about how hard it is to sack Rivers because he moves around the pocket so well. Rivers could be the worst athlete in the league but he has an uncanny feel in the pocket, similar to Manning & Brady. Mett showed potential for this in the preseason & it's key for him going forward. Omar 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nash Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The efficient market hypothesis assumes that there are a large (millions) number of traders with approximately equal information and desires for profit.. IMO, the NFL is more like real estate investing .. only certain properties will suit your needs, you may have to develop it, and there may be a certain stickiness that prevents you from letting it go, whether it's security, nostalgia, cash flow , or simply the availability of a better place.. In the NFL, only a few teams are looking to develop a new starting qb each year, maybe 4-5, the rest are looking for bargains and backups, as they have there starter in place for the immediate future.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted October 24, 2014 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Did you hear DeMarcus Ware who was mic'd up last night? He was talking to a teammate about how hard it is to sack Rivers because he moves around the pocket so well. Rivers could be the worst athlete in the league but he has an uncanny feel in the pocket, similar to Manning & Brady. Mett showed potential for this in the preseason & it's key for him going forward. The fact that Locker is such a mobile athlete and statues like Rivers, Brady, Manning, Marino etc.... are so good in the pocket show that pocket awareness and pocket presence are totally unrelated to mobility and athletic ability. As inaccurate as Locker was I thought his pocket presence was worse. The stuff he started doing this season when his first read wasn't there was as bad as you'll see. He would duck his head and run in circles just totally lost. The guys who can casually side step the rush around them while they are reading the defense are the most dangerous. atitan, Bink, Strait_Shooter, and 8 others 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Well,... somewhat out of context here as I was taking a dig at Reo's entrenched position on Mettenberger,... For some there are no market inefficiencies of the NFL draft and no opportunity for the selected player to show above or below the market clearing price, and indeed history shows the talent expectation (potential) certainly seems to be correlated to draft slot. The fact that there are outliers where talent demonstrated varied quite a bit from expectations should be minimized -- lest you be chastised as exhibiting 'new toy' behavior. I for one am glad we have such zealous defenders of the chalk line here to ensure we don't lose ourselves rooting for a lowly 6th rounder; and am willing to overlook the irony that the chalk line defenders are fans of a team already fated lose over and over again by that same chalk line (what are the odds of a 100-1 team turning it around, never mind assessing what has transpired, WHAT ARE THE ODDS?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) The fact that Locker is such a mobile athlete and statues like Rivers, Brady, Manning, Marino etc.... are so good in the pocket show that pocket awareness and pocket presence are totally unrelated to mobility and athletic ability. As inaccurate as Locker was I thought his pocket presence was worse. The stuff he started doing this season when his first read wasn't there was as bad as you'll see. He would duck his head and run in circles just totally lost. The guys who can casually side step the rush around them while they are reading the defense are the most dangerous. This is exactly what caused most of us to flip over to giving a Mettenberger a shot after week 1 of the preseason. It was obvious right off the bat that Mettenberger displayed an innate ability to maneuver in the pocket and throw with accuracy. He may not be the answer but he did enough to excite the fanbase to the point all talk of him never getting a shot here due to his draft status evaporated over night. Edited October 24, 2014 by oldschool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The fact that Locker is such a mobile athlete and statues like Rivers, Brady, Manning, Marino etc.... are so good in the pocket show that pocket awareness and pocket presence are totally unrelated to mobility and athletic ability. As inaccurate as Locker was I thought his pocket presence was worse. The stuff he started doing this season when his first read wasn't there was as bad as you'll see. He would duck his head and run in circles just totally lost. The guys who can casually side step the rush around them while they are reading the defense are the most dangerous. Exactly. I'm pretty much at the point where if I were evaluating college QB's almost the only thing that would matter to me is pocket presence & accuracy. Those are the 2 absolute must haves, without those 2 traits a guy cannot run a consistent, functional offense. The 2 QB's last night are a perfect example of this, both of them probably run about 5.3 40's & have average at best arm strength & are possibly the best 2 QB's in the league. This is because they can keep their eyes downfield & go through their progressions & sense the pass rush. Arm strength & athleticism are great but without pocket presence & accuracy it doesn't matter. MIKE75, Denali, and XAEA12 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansurf32 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The efficient market hypothesis assumes that there are a large (millions) number of traders with approximately equal information and desires for profit.. IMO, the NFL is more like real estate investing .. only certain properties will suit your needs, you may have to develop it, and there may be a certain stickiness that prevents you from letting it go, whether it's security, nostalgia, cash flow , or simply the availability of a better place.. In the NFL, only a few teams are looking to develop a new starting qb each year, maybe 4-5, the rest are looking for bargains and backups, as they have there starter in place for the immediate future.. This is pretty good. I think it goes without saying that you can't compare the efficiency of the NFL draft, and its 32 teams, to a deep securities market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The efficient market hypothesis assumes that there are a large (millions) number of traders with approximately equal information and desires for profit.. IMO, the NFL is more like real estate investing .. only certain properties will suit your needs, you may have to develop it, and there may be a certain stickiness that prevents you from letting it go, whether it's security, nostalgia, cash flow , or simply the availability of a better place.. In the NFL, only a few teams are looking to develop a new starting qb each year, maybe 4-5, the rest are looking for bargains and backups, as they have there starter in place for the immediate future.. I think it is more basic than that. Of drafted college players, besides a few "freaks" there is probably not a great amount of talent difference between 1st round picks and 6th round picks at all positions. The biggest variable correlated to if they will make it or not is how much effort their teams put into developing them and that is a factor of where they were drafted. 6th round picks would have to be special and immediately make an impact to get much of a chance, where a first round pick could look bad for years and keep getting chances. It is like if you bought the exact same two tools somewhere. One you paid $1000 and the other $10. The $1000 tool you are going to wash and properly maintain it and make sure you store it in a safe, clean place after you use it. With the $10 one you are going to use it with no regard for tearing it up and you will probably just toss it someplace when done. You will have the $1000 one for years and you would probably break or lose the $10 after one or two uses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titansurf32 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 You would basically need a shit load more buyers and sellers (teams) to make the efficient market hypothesis even somewhat relevant in the conversation. Then you can start talking about the uniqueness of the QB market within it. College athletic recruiting would be closer to deep market efficiency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The fact that Locker is such a mobile athlete and statues like Rivers, Brady, Manning, Marino etc.... are so good in the pocket show that pocket awareness and pocket presence are totally unrelated to mobility and athletic ability. As inaccurate as Locker was I thought his pocket presence was worse. The stuff he started doing this season when his first read wasn't there was as bad as you'll see. He would duck his head and run in circles just totally lost. The guys who can casually side step the rush around them while they are reading the defense are the most dangerous. Exactly. Russell Wilson is a guy who is mobile, but its his pocket presence that makes him dangerous. It was the same thing with McNair, its like he had eyes behind and in front. The mobility was just icing on the cake. Its the ability to evade rushers while keeping your eyes down field that matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 This is exactly what caused most of us to flip over to giving a Mettenberger a shot after week 1 of the preseason. It was obvious right off the bat that Mettenberger displayed an innate ability to maneuver in the pocket and throw with accuracy. He may not be the answer but he did enough to excite the fanbase to the point all talk of him never getting a shot here due to his draft status evaporated over night. Some of us were looking to see what he had before the preseason. And a significant portion of TR didn't pay any attention to him during the first preseason game, I assume as the chat room turned to non-football related topics during the time he played. It wasn't until the second game that he came in early to replace Whitehurst when many became excited. I don't remember if you got on board after game 1 or 2, but we had some heated discussion about it prior to that. I'm glad people are on board now and excited, but I thought I'd give some props to the minority how were excited to see what Zach had before the season got started. And there were guys on board before I was and they took a lot of shit for suggesting the kid had good potential. The problem was then, and we still see now to a much smaller degree, this line by SH: The issue I have is this fundamental acceptance that the round in which a prospect is selected is directly correlated with the prospects talents on the field. There's still a few posters making reference to Rusty Smith. It's like they just can't get past it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan24 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The fact that Locker is such a mobile athlete and statues like Rivers, Brady, Manning, Marino etc.... are so good in the pocket show that pocket awareness and pocket presence are totally unrelated to mobility and athletic ability. As inaccurate as Locker was I thought his pocket presence was worse. The stuff he started doing this season when his first read wasn't there was as bad as you'll see. He would duck his head and run in circles just totally lost. The guys who can casually side step the rush around them while they are reading the defense are the most dangerous. Sir, you have pointed out Jake's fatal flaw. If the first read wasn't there, that head dropped, the eyes stopped working downfield, and he just turned into a runner. That is in stark contrast to the successful dual threat guys like McNair, McNabb, Young, etc. who had the crazy mobility, but they all had great instincts and learned to keep their eyes downfield as their legs bought time for their guys. I held out hope for him through the offseason, but the Dallas and Cincy performances were so bad, you had to jump off the train at that point. Mett, in a small sample size, seems to have that ability to slide around some despite being a limited runner. He stands tall back there and keeps his eyes downfield. I think a guy like Hunter who runs more vertical routes that may come open late, might thrive with ZM if we can keep him protected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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